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Do we really need more mediocre pitching, though?
This is the deepest our staff has been in years. We have both depth and high ceiling guys. Mo clearly sees Flaherty as a time traveler from 2019, but whatever he ends up, he is a high ceiling guy. Mikolas is one of the top 20 starters in the national league, Wainwright has a high ceiling, too.
The team could always use an ace and a viable back-end bullpen piece, but acting like we have any further gaping holes in the roster is simply chicken little mentality.Some folks are real excited about the offense upgrade, but Busch isn’t Wrigley, so we will have to see just how the power aspect translates. Career line away from Wrigley is .245/.342/.432/.773. I didn’t look up his stats at Busch, but it would be useful to know.
We have Contreras for age 31 through 35 seasons. Should be prime for a couple years. After that we don’t know, especially for a catcher. But there is the DH aspect also, and if the idea is he shares time at catcher with Herrera, then all could be fine for the whole 5 years.
To my understanding, this wipes out the payroll increase, so additional costly FAs is out. But we have all the trade chips still, so upgrades can still happen. Pitching hopefully. Maybe that LH bat Mo mentioned.
Sorry the same pitching staff from last year will yield the same results during the playoffs, like you said the pitching is mediocre.
This is sourced from the local StL. paper…In 39 games at Busch Stadium Contreras had a .720 OPS, 29 H’s, 4 HR’s and 14 RBI’s. The article also states that those numbers rank in the top 5 of any ballpark he’s played in, including Wrigley Field.
You know when you anticipate the next pitch type correctly, but you can’t lay of it, even tho it’s out of the zone?
That’s what this signing feels like.
The FO convinced themselves they’d fill catcher by the end of the meetings, and they did.
It feels like they tried too hard. I guess you could say worse things about a FO.
The FO convinced themselves they’d fill catcher by the end of the meetings, and they did.
It feels like they tried too hard. I guess you could say worse things about a FO.
And what happens if they wait until January and there are no catchers left?
Part of the hangup with Toronto was they were slow playing – they were comfortable waiting out the market (to command a higher price). The Cardinals were not.
And who knows, maybe when Mo told DeWitt what the asking price was for Murphy, maybe DeWitt is the one who told him to pivot to Contreras.
I dont like the movie. Contreras isn’t worth that kind of money in my opinion. I also don’t like getting cub players unless they are very young. Giving them a pick plus losing ten percent of the pool money is a lousy deal. Just seems like another K in the lineup to Me. Murphy should have been our guy. Personally I would have rather they take this money they are giving to contreras, add it to other money they are wasting or just sitting in their vaults and gave it to turner but that’s just me. Oh well.
Well, we needed a catcher and now we have one but I can’t say this move sets my heart racing. It’s a lot of money and a long time for an imperfect solution. Let’s hope for the best.
What a pile of crap; this mess of a roster is no better than a 93 win team.
Everyone knows high-priced older arms are the only sure thing.
Mo is such a clown. If he thinks he can go into spring with only a dozen starters with MLB experience, he better think again.maybe DeWitt is the one who told him to pivot to Contreras.
“It only money, Mo, let er rip”.
DeWitt is the one who decided a long time ago that the way to build a consistent contender is not to trade away a lot of top prospects. I can definitely see him preferring to spend cash in this case than players/prospects.
Everyone leaves out how this year’s 3.6 in arb is an aberration. It goes up, and if indeed Murphy ascends to Contreras-type power numbers, what will that extension look like?
On two years we would be debating the wisdom of giving 5 years and 125 million dollars is worth keeping one of our best players.Everyone leaves out how this year’s 3.6 in arb is an aberration. It goes up, and if indeed Murphy ascends to Contreras-type power numbers, what will that extension look like?
In two years we would be debating the wisdom of giving 5 years and 125 million dollars and if it is worth keeping one of our best players.Contreras came to the Cardinals following a strong recommendation from Molina, the franchise’s iconic catcher of the past 19 seasons. This came from an article by John Denton.
https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/willson-contreras-deal-with-cardinalsThis is the win now and probably later too move. We won 93 games last year with a black hole at catcher, so if we get Contreras at a 3 WAR for 2023, then we safely put ourselves out in front of any of the Central teams.
The deal probably won’t be that great by year 4 or 5, but if Herrera or Bernal are ready by then, it won’t really matter.
I’d call this a B+ move. Lets us save prospects for a truly impact deal (pitcher) or see what we have with Gorman, Burleson, etc. The lineup could be scary good if O’Neill returns to 2021 form and Walker forces his way into the lineup.
Scared money don’t make money…. One thing this does is give flexibility to make a trade with your prospects for either a starting pitcher or a bat in the OF…..if they made the trade for Murphy that flexibility is greatly reduced.
Nigel, not arguing for the Contreras signing but do you really think Murphy is going tô be the highest paid catcher of all time by 30%
Well, so……what does this mean for Knizner and Herrera?
Knizner is back in his backup role?
Herrera gets more experience at AA/AAA?
I think the next power-hitting catcher with gold gloves to hit the free agent market before age 30 will be, CC. So yes I think Murphy could be that guy.
Contrares will leave 60 starts on the table for Knizner, who I felt really improved with the bat last year. We all saw the tough luck. Had six of those tough breaks gone his way, his whole season would have been viewed differently.
I see Knizner as an asset in a back up capacity.I listened to an interview with Mo early in the post season. He was asked about Knizner and Herrera. Here are my impressions of those comments:
Knizner – they like him, but they do not see him as an everyday catcher now. They have provided him with a list of things he needs to work on. They will see where he is this spring.
Herrera – they feel he has a lot of potential. However, he is not ready for the big leagues. He needs more time at 3A to address what they see as areas for improvement.
My guess is that Knizner is slotted for the ML back up and Herrera will start at 3A. Herrera’s pace of development will determine Knizner’s fate as a Redbird.
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