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    well personally I don’t care for the miller pickup. hes a bad defensive player. yea hes left handed but that don’t mean hes going to hit. just seems like a waste unless they use him in a trade.

    Well I’ve mentioned numerous times how bad defensively Miller is, so I’m with you there.

    #122448
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    Didn’t we all see a different Bader in the second half? I saw the guy I saw at AA. That guy was a budding star. I expect Bader to match Grichuk’s third season production with value added on the bases and in the field.

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    Bader by month in 2019 –

    Apr – .224/.387/.429/.816
    May – .250/.328/.383/.712
    Jun – .155/.274/.324/.598
    Jul – .146/.239/.195/.434
    Aug – .313/.450/.531/.981
    Sep/Oct – .191/.274/.372/.646

    Jun, Jul, and Sep/Oct were pretty rough.

    #122451
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    Nice lefty bat off the bench. Pay no attention to his PH numbers from a year ago. Guys will be a roller coaster year to year in PH roles. What you did last year means nothing for this year.

    I have liked Munoz’ bat the last couple of years. Looks like there is potential stardom there as a hitter with regular time. The problem is his defense is bad, so tough to go with him everyday. Seems like an AL guy who will end up being a first baseman in the latter part of his career.

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    we already have a guy in munoz who can hit but isn’t a great fielder. why get somebody just like that unless you plan on trading one of them.

    If Miller hits like Munoz, that would be a big problem. They aren’t in the same league with the bat.

    And guys wanting a backup SS who is both a good hitter and good fielder? That’s called a starter.

    #122456
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    poition (player) innings (career UZR/150)

    1B (Goldy) 10784 (1.6)
    1B (Carp) 2195 (0.1)
    1B (Miller) 611 (-8.6)

    2B (Edman) 204 (7.5)
    2B (Wong) 5884 (5.9)
    2B (DeJong) 158 (-3.3)
    2B (Carp) 1688 (-5.8)
    2B (Miller) 1211 (-10.5)
    2B (Munoz) 220 (-18.5)

    3B (Edman) 382 (0.7)
    3B (Carp) 5115 (-3.7)
    3B (Munoz) 200 (-3.7)
    3B (Miller) 129 (-18.9)

    SS (DeJong) 3124 (8.0)
    SS (Edman) 382 (0.7)
    SS (Miller) 3125 (-3.6)
    SS (Munoz) 200 (-3.7)

    LF (Miller) 193 (10.4)
    LF (O’Neill) 357 (2.2)

    CF (Bader) 1676 (18.8)
    CF (Fowler) 9616 (-9.2)

    RF (O’Neill) 151 (29.5)
    RF (Fowler) 1411 (-6.4)

    #122470
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    atripleshyofthecycle, I don’t know what you have been watching, munoz hits just fine, his fielding keeps him mainly on the bench. miller will be lucky to hit that good. may hit more homers but he will probably strike out far more often in getting those homers. munoz does tend to put the ball in play moreso than others on the team.

    #122472
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    Munoz was a terrible hitter last year. He hit worse than Bader did, and people want to run Bader and his upper elite defense out on a rail.

    But other than that, Munoz is fine.

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    Bader by month in 2019 –

    Apr – .224/.387/.429/.816
    May – .250/.328/.383/.712
    Jun – .155/.274/.324/.598
    Jul – .146/.239/.195/.434
    Aug – .313/.450/.531/.981
    Sep/Oct – .191/.274/.372/.646

    Jun, Jul, and Sep/Oct were pretty rough.

    I don’t like Bader hitting in front of the pitcher were he will never see a fastball. I would much prefer to see him bat ninth (leadoff hitter after the first inning).

    #122564
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    well if bader had hit the 267 that munoz hit last year, nobody would even be thinking he shouldn’t be in centerfield. bader by the way hit 205. im a big bader fan by the way, and not really a munoz fan but when you come on a baseball discussion site, you better have the facts straight. miller hit 260 by the way. did hit more homeruns so if that’s your thing, good for ya. also millers career batting average, 241, munoz 273. so like I said, basically a wash at best. why have two of the same when one is more than enough.

    #122572
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    I thought we were having a hitting conversation, not a batting average conversation. My mistake. I’ll let you go back to playing with blocks now.

    #122573
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    Munoz vs. Miller? Not even close.

    Career WAR –

    Munoz – minus 0.1
    Miller – 7.6

    2019 –

    Munoz – minus 0.4
    Miller – 1.4

    #122576
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    Don’t throw algebra at people who think an abacus is too complicated. Slowly backing away now.

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    I agree. It may be a good idea for you to back away a bit. I can understand frustration when there is disagreement, but questioning other posters’ intelligence crosses the line from acceptable to unacceptable on these forums. I know rules are more wide open elsewhere, but we are different for a reason. Talk baseball topics, not other posters. Thanks.

    #122581
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    In 2016, Miller had 29 doubles,
    6 triples, 30 home runes, and drove in 81 for the Rays. He had 601 plate appearances.

    In 2019, he played for both the Indians and the Phillies. In only 170 plate appearances, he had 6 doubles, 1 triple, 13 home runs, and drove in 25. That’s a 46 home run pace at 600 plate appearances.
    And he bats left handed.

    Excellent pick up. He far different than Munoz.

    #122582
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    Munoz has more development left. He just spent his age 24 season getting 195 PA’s total, at all levels, without a significant injury that I recall. He needs to play everyday and that won’t happen on the 25man.

    Sosa has had back to back seasons of 490 and 506 PA’s. I hope Sosa makes the bench and Munoz starts daily in the minors. The Miller signing helps allow this to happen. Injuries will happen, and Munoz will get recalled, but everyday PA’s when possible should be the focus for Yairo’s 2020.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    At this point, it is not clear who the 26th man will be. Assuming Miller and Edman are on the team as reserves, that leaves Sosa, Munoz, Ravelo, Knizner, Dean, Williams and non-40-man players competing for that last spot. My guess is that if Sosa and Munoz end up in Memphis, they will be the regulars in the middle infield there, getting ready for when a need opens up with StL.

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    With Edman, Miller, Thomas, and Dean penciled in, and Wieters as backup catcher, isn’t the competition between Ravello, Munoz, and Sosa for that 26th spot?

    #122586
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    I have Wieters, Miller and Edman as #22 through #24 roster spots. Did you omit Thomas (above) because you have him as the 25th man? btw, i’d be good w/that because the bench needs a 4th OF role.

    Time will tell what role they want filled as the 26th man. A true middle infielder (Sosa). A power bench bat (Ravelo), etc

    #122587
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    Sorry but what he did all the way back in 2016 means ZERO, nadda nothing at all….MI was not where we needed help and he is not an OF at all..

    #122590
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    It’s what he’s done recently too, onyx. That’s why I posted 2019 numbers. And he’s played enough OF to be viable out there for a few games throughout the year. Plus he’s that LH power bat you want want coming off the bench in the 8th or 9th against their set up man or closer.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    jj-cf-stl asked:

    I have Wieters, Miller and Edman as #22 through #24 roster spots. Did you omit Thomas (above) because you have him as the 25th man? btw, i’d be good w/that because the bench needs a 4th OF role.

    Yes, this is my current projection – admittedly before a single game has been played…

    bccran said:

    With Edman, Miller, Thomas, and Dean penciled in, and Wieters as backup catcher, isn’t the competition between Ravello, Munoz, and Sosa for that 26th spot?

    You have already filled the 26th spot in your example. It will be a five man bench. I am not assuming Dean is on the roster ahead of anyone until he proves himself as a Cardinal.

    #122594
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    You’re right, Brian. Assuming they stay with their thoughts of 13 pitchers.

    #122596
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    pitchers are capped at 13 players for 2020 – Jason Stark, 1-29-2020

    #122599
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    Don’t throw algebra at people who think an abacus is too complicated. Slowly backing away now.

    Me too. I used to have an abacus as a kid and used it as a multi-wheeled truck. You mean it is designed to count?

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