February 18, 2019 at 8:23 am #82149
I agree with Manfred that this is not the way to negotiate. I don’t know why Wainwright would do that. I guess he feels he can say what he wants since he has already made his millions. How convenient.
On the other hand after hearing comments from Wainwright, Bauer, Verlander, and others, if there are any owners out there with their heads in the sand thinking everything is “hunky dory” they can now think otherwise.February 18, 2019 at 2:18 pm #82161
"I will tell you flat out that the work relationship between the union and Major League Baseball is at the worst that I've seen since the mid '90s." @Buster_ESPN on players' anger over a slow free agency, and whether that anger could carry all the way into labor dispute. pic.twitter.com/FZMZTUDZiL
— Outside The Lines (@OTLonESPN) February 18, 2019February 18, 2019 at 2:36 pm #82163February 18, 2019 at 2:44 pm #82164
Joel Sherman is all over it. Click on other tweets to see the entire thread.
1/Key issue to me in current labor tension: MLB does not have to re-open the CBA in any way until after 2021 and Manfred could simply, by rule, impose a few pace-of-play initiatives for 2019 such as a pitch clock and players cannot stop him. But Manfred is a trained deal maker
— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) February 18, 2019
February 18, 2019 at 2:46 pm #82167
- This reply was modified 3 months ago by gscottar.
2/and Oak made playoffs. Union says there's rules about how revenue sharing dollars must be applied whether success or failure on the field. MLB has regularly countered there are many ways to apply those $ to try to win, not just payroll (improved facilities, extra coaches etc)
— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) February 18, 2019February 18, 2019 at 6:02 pm #82171
If baseball disappeared, most of the billionaires would simply reallocate their investments, while most of the the millionaires would have to settle for jobs of exponentially decreased pay. Wainwright needs to re-focus on tweaking his arm slot, release point, or some other body mechanic so he can cut his ERA in half this year.February 18, 2019 at 9:26 pm #82182
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I can’t help but wonder if Boras is at the bottom of all this ‘labor unrest’. He is a master at using the media to reach his own objectives.
Surely, Harper and Machado have been offered at least $200M.
But they say ‘No. You’re being unfair to me. You have to give me $300M, or I’m not going to be on your team’.
Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction.February 18, 2019 at 9:32 pm #82184
Harper is a Boras client, but Machado is not. Boras does represent a number of other top remaining free agents.February 19, 2019 at 10:02 am #82210
One of the national writers suggested that Boras and Dan Lozano (Machado’s agent) do not like each other therefore this has become a competition between the two. Neither wants to be the first to sign believing that the last one standing will have more teams bidding on them.
I don’t know if that is true or not, and after four months of offseason, I don’t really care anymore. Both of these players are going to get big contracts within the next week or two. It is the mid-tier free agents who are facing more uncertainty.
February 19, 2019 at 11:09 am #82219
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It amazes me how many people do not seem to understand this, apparently even some players.
For those asking, MLB and the union will not tear up their entire economic system in the middle of a CBA. The two sides will negotiate bigger issues closer to the end of the current deal on Dec. 1, 2021. Lesser changes are under discussion right now. https://t.co/wv4Gh3EisH $
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) February 19, 2019February 20, 2019 at 8:27 am #82284
I wish a writer (Brian? 🙂 ) had the tenacity to ask Wainwright what specific player demand would need to be addressed to squash talk of a mid season walkout. Is there one on the table? I dont think so.February 20, 2019 at 8:57 am #82297
Seems pretty clear that Wainwright went too far with his mid-season strike comment. He likely would not admit it publicly, but his actions afterward (Twitter engagement with fans, bringing kids into the facility to sign autographs in a photo op the next morning) smell like damage control to me. Unfortunately, by the time I get to camp (when minor league games start), this story will be old news. Bottom line: The idea of a mid-season strike is ridiculous. That is emotion talking, not a clear head.February 20, 2019 at 10:21 am #82315
But my point remains, the players are complaining but as far as they know the union has made no specific proposal as to what they want to see changed.February 20, 2019 at 11:48 am #82323
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Will Brian be the brave reporter who stirs the pot? Guess we will see in the member articles when he gets there!!February 20, 2019 at 1:30 pm #82328
cc, we all already know the answer. There is no proposal on the table. In this case, Manfred was right.February 20, 2019 at 3:52 pm #82346
A voice of reason?
'The work stoppage stuff that's been (talked) about a little bit, ultimately that's bad for everybody. We all lose in that situation.' — #Cardinals LHP Andrew Miller discussing #MLB free agency, labor friction and more this morning. Via @hochman #stlcards https://t.co/NauPhkVOVk
— Derrick Goold (@dgoold) February 20, 2019February 20, 2019 at 4:05 pm #82350
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Andrew Miller is already skilled the The Cardinal Way, I see. 😎February 21, 2019 at 11:07 am #82394
Because he knows he wouldn’t have a leg to stand on…
MLBPA President Tony Clark on a potential players strike: “We have an agreement in place through 2021.” He said that he will not violate that contract.
— Fabian Ardaya (@FabianArdaya) February 21, 2019February 22, 2019 at 7:57 am #82505
I am guessing the author started on this article before Clark affirmed there will be no strike now, but it is still worth reading to see the players articulate their issues. The faulty (and sad) assumption being made is that a strike will be necessary after 2021 because negotiations will fail. Way to go into it with a positive outlook, players. A real vote of confidence in their leader, Tony Clark!
MLB players are ready to 'burn the whole system down.' Here's what they want to avoid a strike. https://t.co/t2oJvITcQj
— Gabe Lacques (@GabeLacques) February 22, 2019February 22, 2019 at 12:52 pm #82514
Let’s keep an open mind please. This has to be the most pro management board out there. Good grief.
Tony Clark has to muzzle 750 players so there will always be some loose cannons spouting off. Manfred only has to speak for 30 owners so it is probably easier for him to keep them out of the media, except for the Ricketts emails.February 22, 2019 at 1:23 pm #82517
If Arrieta is representative of the thinking of other players then there is going to be a problem. To win at labor negotiations you have to understand what is important to the other side. Arrieta thinks the objective of the owners is to win? WRONG. It is to make money. Unless the players understand that fundamental issue it is going to be difficult.
It is also hard to make the argument “tanking” is bad for the game given how revenues habe risen in the age of tanking.February 22, 2019 at 1:39 pm #82519
gscottar, I cannot speak for others, but I am all for the players exercising their right to negotiate for what they deem most important. I’ve also written that they have every right to strike in 2022 if they cannot come to terms – after good faith negotiations by both sides.
One big problem as I see it is that the players are terrible at everything about negotiating and then complain when it doesn’t go their way. As a result, I am not very sympathetic about the mess they got themselves in.
If you want to preach on “open minds”, tell the players who are spouting off about being 100% sure of a strike in three years from now. Those are the minds that matter and they don’t sound very open to me. And they are veterans who should be more aware, not less.
February 22, 2019 at 1:44 pm #82521
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cc, to your points, we also have the exhibits of the Cubs and Astros who tanked the way to World Series titles. I am not saying they shouldn’t adjust the game’s economics, but the talk about “burning the whole system down” shows me how naive some are.February 22, 2019 at 2:19 pm #82528
About the only players I ever see defended on here are minor league players.
I certainly don’t see the MLBPA as a shining example of a stellar organization. Hardly. But there is no doubt in my mind there are numerous owners who put economics as a much higher priority than winning which is a real shame for the fans. My point is that there are rotten apples on BOTH sides so blaming everything on the players and Boras doesn’t seem balanced.February 22, 2019 at 2:36 pm #82529
We clearly see things differently. I haven’t seen anyone here “blaming everything on the players and Boras”.
In fact, partially because the subject is so sensitive to you, I’ve gone out of my way to compliment Boras for being very good at his job. I am very sincere about that. He is really adept at using the system to try to get the most for his clients, which are the only people who should matter to him. My issue is with those who blame the owners for a slow market without also acknowledging that making an early offer to Boras is usually a total waste. The system that is in place does not encourage early offers and signings. Owners wait for prices to go down and agents wait until teams are desperate enough to increase their bids. Whether or not you like it, an inordinate percentage of the top tier of the remaining unsigned free agents are Boras clients. That is not assessing blame – it is stating fact.
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