December 14, 2017 at 2:11 pm #39704bicyclemikeModeratorPaid - Annual
Longoria would most likely be a step down from Gyorko. Per BR, both had a 3.6 WAR last year, and both hit 20 homers – but Longoria had almost 200 more ABs that Jedd. Longoria’s OPS+ was 100, or exactly average. Jedd was 112, or 12% better than average.
Then you add the age difference into the mix, Jedd at 29 and Evan at 32, and you have to think Jedd will most likely be as good or better than Evan over the next 2-3 years.
Longoria is a guy that we should only bring in if we have to take him as part of a deal that overall makes us stronger, despite the negative impact at third base. Or obviously if Gyorko has not gone anywhere and we turn Longoria around to someone else in another deal.December 18, 2017 at 2:34 pm #39990gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
I’m really doubting we do the one year rentals on Donaldson or Machado. I would bet it is more likely we get something done with the Rays. If we do the blockbuster for Longoria, Colome, and Archer how much would we part with?
I would offer Gyorko, Grichuk, Wacha, Kelly, Flaherty, and Hicks. I suspect the Rays would want a different package but that offer would be my preference. We really need to trade our arb eligible guys if possible. That would free up enough enough payroll space to go after Darvish.December 20, 2017 at 11:44 am #40085
Tampa Bay Times reporting Longoria has been traded to the Giants.December 20, 2017 at 11:52 am #40088
Giants get Longoria and cash for Christian Arroyo, Denard Span, Matt Krook and Stephen Woods, according to Passan and Rosenthal.December 20, 2017 at 11:56 am #40089
Good.December 20, 2017 at 12:08 pm #4009114NyquisTParticipant
That’s the SFG #1 #25 and #29… and Span. Seems a lot.December 20, 2017 at 12:57 pm #40093
To me this is a dumb trade. The Giants take a big risk and move even closer to the luxury tax threshold. I don’t see how that makes sense because now they have even less money to spend to improve their team. And the Rays get a shortstop who’s been around since 2013, has had only one really good year offensively, and has so far shown only marginal power. And, BTW, the Rays already have three other prospects in their Top 10 who are shortstops, Willy Adames (#2), Wander Franco (#6), and Lucius Fox (#7). The Rays, also get two pitching prospects who are almost complete unknowns plus Denard Span who is 33 years old, brings a -1.1 WAR, and is owed almost as much money as Longoria will get in the next two years. And to top it all off, the Rays will give money to the Giants as part of this deal.
Just speculating, but maybe the Cardinals indicated that they were not interested in acquiring Longoria, and the Rays felt they had to act fast in order to get his salary off their books.December 20, 2017 at 1:36 pm #40097BrianpnoonanParticipantFree
A few years back I talked with a junior giants exec randomly. Their philosophy is to go after veterans who produce. It is what it is. Longoria is probably better than their alternatives and if he bounced back they should be able to flip him at the deadline.
Their farm is effectively worthless. Flipping that into a guy who might get real talent in july isnt the worst idea I’ve ever seen.December 20, 2017 at 2:30 pm #40102
Luxury tax impact lessened for Giants with Span going the other way.December 20, 2017 at 3:17 pm #40109
Then it almost had to be a salary dump by the Rays. After all those years of the Rays telling everybody that Longoria is untouchable, now this.December 20, 2017 at 3:24 pm #40112gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
It is a salary dump by the Rays.
As for the Giants they seem to be spinning into that death spiral that the Phillies, Tigers, and Yankees went into a few years ago. Keep adding aging costly veterans because they are too proud for a rebuild or even a reboot. The Yankees got smart and came out of it but this won’t end well for the Giants.December 20, 2017 at 3:59 pm #40133LoganAlpha30X7ParticipantFree
I just hope that Gyorko plays well this year or we’ll really be in trouble as then we’d have to just try to make a guy fit at 3B…December 20, 2017 at 4:40 pm #40139
Its to early to give up on Donaldson.December 20, 2017 at 4:42 pm #40140
Donaldson is not a good fit. He is 32. He is a righty. He will cost prospects and then a long term contract. Tap the free agent market now. Hosmer and to lesser extent Moustakas are much better fits.December 20, 2017 at 5:02 pm #40142
I remember around 2007 when you could have had Beltre for free just to take on his contract. If Longorie has a similar comback the Giants could hit the jackpot.December 20, 2017 at 5:09 pm #40143thejagerParticipantPaid - Annual
yikes… Longoria’s contract wasnt that bad….i kind of wish we would have talked to the Giants about a Gyorko Arroyo swapDecember 20, 2017 at 5:45 pm #40149Nigel TParticipantPaid - Three Months
Whitey always said you should trade three good players for one great one. Longoria isn’t great, but Donaldson is. I would give Gyorko, Wacha, Grichuk, and a pitcher like Artie Reyes for Donaldson without hesitation. This would improve the Blue Jays and Cards right now. That group might not produce 7 war, but they would be close. It takes the years of control down from the 18 Mo lamented to a more palatable 8 or 9 not counting Reyes.December 20, 2017 at 7:07 pm #40162
Donaldson will need a contract extension. He is 32, how many years and how much money after 2018 would you give him? We need a lefty hitter not a righty. I rather have Hosmer or Moustakas if 3B is your preference. Both younger than Donaldson and lefties. Will only cost the contract and you won’t be paying Donaldson from 33 on for more money.December 20, 2017 at 7:45 pm #40164
Cut out the we need a lefty hitter when it comes to Donaldson. Donaldson hits righty pitching much better than the lefty batting Moustakas and equally good as the lefty hitting Hosmer.December 20, 2017 at 8:03 pm #40167
What about the rest? 33 on how much are you paying him? and you can make your point without being condescending is annoying.December 20, 2017 at 9:04 pm #40169
I dont know. What about the rest?December 20, 2017 at 9:05 pm #40170Nigel TParticipantPaid - Three Months
I pay him to be the next Hall of Fame bound Cardinal. I give him 4 @ 124 million.December 20, 2017 at 9:23 pm #40172
CC what is the contract extension you give Mr. Donaldson at age 33?December 20, 2017 at 9:25 pm #40173
31 M per year age 33-36.December 20, 2017 at 9:45 pm #40174
I certainly would prefer Donaldson at $30mm a year than Hosmer at $20mm+ per year.
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