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As to Paniagua, it seems like folks are forgetting that the first three months of the season ever happened. Last year he was neither protected nor claimed and the only thing that has happened since then is 3 months on the shelf with shoulder trouble. He’s had considerable arm trouble before this time also. That’s a lot for a guy still in A ball. This is his 6th year and I’m not seeing how the math can work for him any more. He’s too far behind and has a bum arm. I would give a 0% chance he’s put on the 40 man. I wouldn’t think he’d take a slot on the AAA either, but I don’t know how scarce those slots will be.
Bling, I agree that he won’t be put on the 40-man but I definitely think he gets protected from the minor league portion of the Rule 5. He has a lot of upside if he can stay healthy because of both his velocity and pitch movement. And he’s still somewhat young. The Cards will want him back pitching next year and may move him to the bullpen to try to see if he can quickly advance through the ranks and earn a roster spot. That is if he can stay healthy.
I don’t know about players on the roster, but as far as managers on the roster Marmol might be on the way out.
CBS Sports just published a story about the six most vulnerable MLB managers, and Olli is number 5 on the listResults based analysis is primitive. There are sure to be advanced metrics that say he’s doing great.
Advanced metrics are results based. Sounds like you are throwing stones at what you don’t understand, just to be throwing stones.
Avançado metrics are resulta based? Bat speed? Spin rates? Ground Ball rates? Those are results based compared tô Winston and scoring runs? I dont think só. Both have their place but advanced metrics are not more results based. I would call them more predicativo.
Advanced metrics are results based? Bat speed? Spin rates? Ground Ball rates? Those are results based compared tô Wins and scoring runs? I dont think só. Both have their place but advanced metrics are not more results based. I would call them more predictive
I’d have to guess that the current Cardinal manager along with Showalter are the closest to the soup line, followed by Boone, Cora and Melvin. They all manage teams that were supposed to contend and have really tanked this season, but I think both the current Cardinal manager and Showalter may have incurred the wrath of the dreaded evil baseball gypsies…The former by shuffling the line-up to start the post-season, walking out to get a SP’er who was working on autopilot and then leaving another pitcher in the game when he was obviously leaking oil from a recent injury to a finger on his pitching hand. The latter by sending the HPU to the mound during a post-season game to check an opposing pitcher’s ears…Haha! Things like that have a way of doing a 360 and burning your backside and the evil baseball gypsies are always waiting and watching for that sort of thing to give them a chance to pounce…
This is why I like the WAR stat. Who cares what the launch angle is if it always with the bases empty?
I kinda like to follow BA with the bases loaded, or with runners in scoring position, but ultimately this will show up in the player’s RBI total. If you are not driving in runs, you got a problem.As far as the question as to who do you protect, you have to consider one thing. All the other clubs have to contend with the same 40 man limit.
When you consider how many guys were traded away from here right before they saw big improvements in there numbers, you have to realize you are not going to be able to protect everyone of potential big league value.
If all these guys are so good, why aren’t other clubs offering trades that would fill our needs in exchange?I am really enjoying reading this thread! Figuring out who they may keep and who will be left off is very intriguing. Really appreciate the insights from all, and look forward to hearing more about potential moves to be made now that many of the minor league teams are done. The minor league portion of the draft is more interesting to me, with trying to figure out who is a diamond waiting to break out! Wonder if the team has their eyes on any potential players they want to snag from another team? Guess that list won’t come out until sometime in November.
Don’t understand the philosophy of bringing in bum pitchers to fill roster spots. Shouldn’t competition have started sevgeral months ago. Wasted time, and a lot to do with MLBs worst manager.
There are SO MANY on this roster who could be jettisoned/outrighted/released/non-tendered it isn’t even funny.
I agree Cards27. But I think they are just all placeholders for a long-term plan. Given how young some of the Rule 5 guys are, they don’t want to start their service clocks early before they are major league ready. Therefore, there’s no point to putting them on the 40-man roster yet – except Wynn because he was doing so well in AAA and we kind of need a SS so the team can continue to evaluate Edman in CF. So we have lots of filler for now that will all be replaced this offseason. At least that’s what I believe is happening.
But who knows at this point? Maybe the front office is as incompetent as some on this site believe them to be and Casey Lawrence will be our opening day starter in 2024.
I doubt Lawrence will last on the 40 man. That type of guy will be available in the spring if needed.
Jnevel, I think your assessment of using fillers to just get through the end of the season is correct but that doesn’t mean the front office isn’t incompetent. Both things could be true.
I think it is perhaps time to close the book on O’Neill. I like him and believe he has very good potential if he can ever put it all together. But the guy just can’t stay healthy. We need a good, solid, every day player in left field and my gut (and eye) tell me TO isn’t that guy. So put him on the block and see what he will bring.
Games played in –
Goldschmidt – 148
Arenado – 144
Edman – 128
Contreras – 125
Gorman – 119
Nootbaar – 108
Walker – 108
Burleson – 107
Donovan – 95
Carlson – 76
O’Neill – 72
Knizner – 65O’Neill and Carlson – ugh.
Right now, there are 45 players on the 40 man roster.
I have the following subtractions upcoming:
Retirement:
1. Adam Wainwright – 42 – (7.40 ERA)Cut:
2. Jacob Barnes – 33 – (6.75 ERA)
3. James Naile – 30 – (8.80 ERA)
4. Andrew Suarez – 31 – (7.50 ERA)
5. Drew Verhagen – 32 – (3.97 ERA)
6. Casey Lawrence – 35 – (5.63 ERA)
7. Juniel Querecuto – 31 – 0.00 OPSPlayers I would try to trade, but probably be forced to cut:
8. Juan Yepez – 25 – .572 OPS
9. Moises Gomez – 25 – Minors
10. Luken Baker – 26 – .608 OPSPlayers I would actively shop in a trade, but willing to keep:
11. Giovanny Gallegos – 32 – (4.42 ERA)
12. Dakota Hudson – 29 – (4.95 ERA)
13. Andrew Knizner – 28 – .712 OPS
14. Dylan Carlson – 24 – .651 OPS
15. Tyler O’Neill – 28 – .715 OPSInteresting that Verhagen and Gallegos are the same age, and Verhagen was cheaper and outperformed Gallegos this year.
I firmly had Fermin in the cut decision, until I saw he is only 24…
Not sure if Cardinals will cut bait on Guillermo Zuniga (the injured Rule 5 pick who missed the entire year).
Typically, the non-tender deadline is the Friday before Thanksgiving.
To the comment above about “bum pitchers” on the roster and blaming the manager for it, he does not determine which 26 players are active. He does determine how they are used once there.
Other pitchers who could be on the 40-man roster bubble: Wilking Rodriguez, Kyle Leahy and Connor Thomas. Hitters include Irving Lopez and Michael Siani.
I’ll redo this post with lots of details at season’s end to ensure it has all the updates. But I don’t think it will look a whole lot different than the one I did to start this post except that there’s been a few more guys promoted as roster fluff and we’ve added Winn as well to the 40 man. But as a precursor – it would not surprise me one bit to see 15 guys (or possibly even higher) who are on the 40-man roster today not be there come December.
I would have to believe several of the guys on the “Cut List” above could at least bring some BP help. None of them are going to bring back a top tier SP that is needed, but at least a solid BP arm.
For example, the Indians have little to no production in the OF, would packaging a combination of the Yepez, Gomez and Baker group bring back Enyel De Los Santos for a random example? Maybe add in a non top prospect as well? Two of them and adding him would open up one spot so moves like that could be beneficial for both sides.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/delosen01.shtml
I don’t know a ton about him, 1st year arb eligible in 2024 and will be 28.
O’neill at $6+M next year needs to be dealt, even international money or something is better than nothing, and I’m sure some OF needy team would take a flyer at under $8M. That would open more flexibility for SPers.
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