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December 14, 2024 at 10:04 am #273232
You have to give them credit for their overall results/performance.
Where is the Cardinals farm system currently ranked?
What is the highest it has been ranked in the Randy Flores era?
Has the Cardinals organization been improving or declining during the Randy Flores era?
December 14, 2024 at 10:08 am #273233I’m trying to figure out why you keep using the Orioles as an example. Have you looked at their draft classes? They generally get no value from every draft over the past 10 years.
Oh man. I did an analysis a couple of months ago, just for you.
And I am only concerned with the current drafting regimes of each club.
What happened with the Cardinals when they lucked into a 13th rounder in 2001 has nothing to do with how good the Cardinals are drafting today.
Same thing for Baltimore – what happened before Mike Elias is irrelevant to the team today.
This is basic research methodology.
You have done empirical research before, correct?
And you know that a flawed methodology produces flawed results, correct?
December 14, 2024 at 11:33 am #273240I give up arguing again. It’s pointless. You’re cherry picking a specific set of data points to try to prove your theory. That’s not good science. I stand by the same conclusion all the researchers who dig into this come up with. The Cardinals are very good at drafting. One of the best out there if not the best.
December 14, 2024 at 11:40 am #273241Sometimes you have to cut through the BS. The current state of the organization proves they suck at everything, including drafting. I agree stats can be produced to prove whatever, but so what.
December 14, 2024 at 4:03 pm #273257I am not sure what is being argued, but this is the way I see it. How can one separate draft results from actual results on the field? Seems like the latter is the only validation of the former that matters in the end. For example, pre-draft rankings are just placeholders until there are real results to consider.
In other words, without effective player development, it doesn’t matter how good the draft looked. And without good drafting, player development has much less of a chance to make the players effective Major Leaguers.
Can’t have one of the two working without the other also doing its share. It seems very difficult, if not impossible, to accurately credit one side and discredit the other. They either share the credit or the blame.
Yet, so far, at least, the Cardinals seem to be targeting PD without comments about making any changes to scouting and drafting, other than Matt Slater leaving (who had a major focus on Asia).
December 14, 2024 at 5:24 pm #273267It took Brian way more words to say the same thing. 🙂
January 6, 2025 at 4:11 pm #274458I missed this before.
Update: Language has been sent to teams. This is OFFICIAL. The MLB Draft is now a 2-day event. https://t.co/DwNkECeqio
— Joe Doyle (@JoeDoyleMiLB) December 20, 2024
January 6, 2025 at 7:16 pm #274466Forgive my confusion, but can the Cards possibly pick in the Top 10 again in 2026, if 2025 doesn’t go well, or can they only pick in the Top 10 two years in a row? I forgot, or perhaps misinterpreted, the MLB rule about certain teams being unable to pick in the lottery for more than two straight years.
January 6, 2025 at 7:47 pm #274467The answer is it depends. If the Cards were to draw a really low attendance and were labeled a competitive balance team, then they could pick in the top 10 again. As of now though, they would get pick #11 at best.
January 6, 2025 at 9:19 pm #274470
MrperkinsParticipantI thought only the top 6 picks were protected against back to back, not top 10. That’s why we could pick #7 and #5. We initially were bummed about our bad luck in “dropping” to 7 but it seems to have turned out perfectly. Getting a top 3 guy at #7 and then lucking into a lottery pick could really help the new regime off to a good start
January 6, 2025 at 11:40 pm #274471No it is top 9 technically. For this upcoming year, the White Sox despite having such a a horrendous record pick at #10 and the Athletics at #11. Neither had any shots in the lottery.
January 7, 2025 at 4:41 pm #274506The Draft Lottery is already leaving ripples in the 2026 Draft.
The Nationals, Angels, Rockies and Cardinals are ineligible to land top-9 picks in the 2026 MLB Draft. https://t.co/ncDi8saLB0
— Joe Doyle (@JoeDoyleMiLB) December 11, 2024
January 7, 2025 at 5:58 pm #274508Lets hope the Cardinals aren’t one of the nine worst teams in MLB next year. Their lottery chance of hitting it big for a second year in a row is so minuscule that it doesn’t even merit discussion.
February 9, 2025 at 4:26 pm #276161I’ve been looking through some 2025 draft info during the slow offseason. Baseball America came out with their top 200 a few days ago. This draft class has a lot of interesting names, but I don’t think it has quite as good of names at the top. Overall it is likely a better draft, but I see some faults with the current top of the list players.
I do like some of the players but I hope to see some gains from some of these guys this spring. In general I absolutely have a bias toward up the middle players with above average hit tools and a strong bias against taking pitchers given the changes in the game and injury rates. Cam Canarella is a player I really like. Great CF defense and bat to ball skills; I want to see some power out of him this spring to justify taking him at #5. The other college bats I like a good amount are Dean Curley and Devin Taylor. On the high school position player side, Billy Carlson and Eli Willits seem like the types with good springs they can make a case for #1.
There is obviously a lot that can change between now and the draft. I look forward to seeing how some of these guys develop and the improvements they can make. The top 5 from MLB and BA will not be the top 5 come July and I expect some guys to make great improvements.
https://www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/2025-top-mlb-draft-prospects/
February 9, 2025 at 4:35 pm #276162Regarding the top 5, I think there is definitely some overhype on Ethan Holliday as some believe he has incredible hit tool risks. How do you guys feel about a .240 hitter with a .380 slugging? That is bad in the MLB, but that is what Ethan Holliday did against high schoolers. He has incredible raw power, but has a gaping hole in his swing. Laviolette also has eye popping power, but has a hole in his swing and strikes out a lot.
Longenhagen goes into detail on Ethan around 17:45 in this podcast. I generally find the podcast quite interesting as Longenhagen explains how BA and MLB are more reporting some industry opnions while he tries to not see their rankings and does his own scouting to come up with his own evaluations. I look forward to his draft board as his will be a lot more realistic and not just slap a 50 on hit tools for guys like Holliday and Laviolette.
February 17, 2025 at 10:34 am #276639With all the QO guys signing contracts, the Cardinals will have the 5th, 55th, 73rd and 89th picks in the first 100 picks. That’s pretty huge.
February 17, 2025 at 5:23 pm #276657That is huge as long as they can find talent at those picks. And the talent should be there.
March 21, 2025 at 1:29 pm #277834New 2025 MLB Draft Board: Top 400 📈https://t.co/0vnzPI9CcV pic.twitter.com/506nqLsWMP
— Perfect Game USA (@PerfectGameUSA) March 21, 2025
March 21, 2025 at 2:25 pm #277838Willit’s is pretty interesting b/c he reclassified to be in this draft….should just be a Junior in high school, he seems to be moving up in some mocks. His brother is the current shortstop for OU.
March 21, 2025 at 7:27 pm #277850Willit’s is interesting. This class is interesting in that there isn’t a clear cut top few guys and it will change throughout the season. Arnold is the best bet to stay up there. My list at this point has a lot of SS on it, although that does not necessarily mean they will play there going forward. Dean Curley, Billy Carlson, Marek Houston, and Wehiwa Aloy are players I have liked so far, although Curley and Carlson are a step above those other 2 for me.
I don’t know why PG has Holiday at 2. He has such severe contact issues I wouldn’t take him in the top 10 and the same is likely true of Laviolette with his struggles. They both have batting practice power, but that doesn’t matter if their contact is so bad their game power doesn’t come through. I’m also out on Cannarella with his struggles and the lack of upside as he doesn’t project for much power or contact.
April 14, 2025 at 5:20 pm #279392BA’s Mock 2.0 has the Cardinals with this selection:
5. Cardinals — Marek Houston, SS, Wake Forest
They see his in-zone contact as appealing to the Cardinals.
April 14, 2025 at 7:22 pm #279434If the draft falls out like that, I have no problem with the Marek Houston pick. I maybe would be leaning to Billy Carlson for the upside though. I don’t see any way a team should be taking a HS pitcher 1st overall. Too much risk, and pitchers have smaller workloads now with higher injury chances. I will say no way the Angels don’t take Arnold #2 if he is there. They are so aggressive targeting floor they maybe would even let him pitch in the majors this year.
Arquette is someone I wasn’t high on initially, but I am glad to see his walk rates increase. Depending on the underlying swing decision metrics he is showing, I would take him at #5 if he makes it.
I’m surprised they have the Tennessee duo of Curley and Kilen lasting as long as they do as both have really good bats.
April 14, 2025 at 7:35 pm #279439Interesting comment about Willits being in play for #1 overall. It sounds like he is toolsy and he is younger than the average player since he reclassified. It is hard to know what the HS guys look like as there is less data than the college ones, but I could see it.
This class overall has a lot of guys I like, but none I love for top 5 worthy. Overall reports line up as well this class is much deeper while not as good at the top.
April 15, 2025 at 7:59 am #279510The only college hitter that is showing Top-5 worthiness so far is Gavin Kilen, who missed 11 games with a hamstring issue.
I’d pass on Houston at #5 and try to get one of the Lodise cousins in the second round. Kilen played SS his first two seasons at Louisville before transferring to Tennessee.
Pitching-wise, Arnold isn’t even the best pitcher on his team this year. I’d prefer Kyson Witherspoon, who can touch 99 mph. Not sure about the scouting reports on Liam Doyle, but he led his team in strikeouts last year, and leads the NCAA in strikeouts this year. He’ll probably go in the Top 15.
April 17, 2025 at 4:41 pm #279727If you want to learn about players BA recently mocked in their Top 10, you can watch this.
I recommend skipping the first 10-12 minutes, except maybe the 3:20-4 minute mark.
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