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forsch31 wrote:
1td, I think that is just so they don’t have to face as many of them.
Now that is funny.
I think the Stanford Shortstop Haskins could be a sleeper, his stats, smarts and versatility could be pretty helpful
Keep a close eye on who the Redbirds choose somewhere in the area of the 90th overall pick of the 3rd round…The All-Star GG catcher for the AL who won last night’s HR Derby is sitting on .259/38/82 thru 94 games…He’s also collected more SB’s, with 10, than any Cardinal other than Victor Scott. The guy may win the MVP in both leagues…Haha!
I’d be curious how much influence Bloom had on the drafting strategy. The Red Sox seemed to take HS guys during his time there early, and it generally worked out well. The strategy this year seemed to be to take strikeout guys, but primarily college guys. It didn’t feel too much different than most Flores drafts, to me.
Other than Matthews, which strikeout guys had the Cards taken in recent years? The velo numbers are what seems different to me. It feels like this year, they took more risk but with potentially more upside. Just need a few to pan out…
Looking at the more recent drafts, I’m thinking of Thompson, Hence, Hjerpe and Mautz, primarily. Most of those guys weren’t high octane fastball guys, but all were known for missing bats and all were early draft picks.
I agree the Cardinals used to have a type of pitcher they drafted. But do you think that since Flores has headed up drafting, the team has slowly changed from that type into taking some risks? That’s my take on it. But this year, Flores got to be a lot more aggressive because the old management team essentially had no influence on this draft to hold things in check. 25 brings up a good point with Hjerpe and Mautz in particular. And those both came before Bloom. I think Flores was slowly pushing things in this direction over time (perhaps even changing his own thought process along the way) and with this draft, he got a full license to be as aggressive as he thought was prudent.
Brian, what kind of assignments do you think these pitchers will get after they sign? Typically the Cardinals are cautious with newly drafted pitchers, especially college pitchers coming off of their college season. Maybe a few innings with the FCL team or Palm Beach? Or will they be shut down until 2026?
I can’t remember how long it takes to sign most of their draft picks? And are most of the 21 picks signable at slot value or below?
There is a chance Doyle is ready by the middle of next year. Scenes and Burns are examples of that possibility.
All of the picks appear to be signable. It’s been reported that Weingartner (8th round SS) signed for slot value and that Van Dyke (10th round pitcher) signed for $40k under slot. If they were concerned about sign-ability of one of their better picks, they would have taken a high school flyer in the late rounds like they did the last couple seasons to provide insurance.
Thus far, it doesn’t look like the Cardinals have signed any non-drafted players which would be the first time since 2019 I think.
Typically the Cardinals are cautious with newly drafted pitchers, especially college pitchers coming off of their college season
The relievers they drafted wouldn’t have a big innings load from their college season.
gscottar asked:
Brian, what kind of assignments do you think these pitchers will get after they sign? Typically the Cardinals are cautious with newly drafted pitchers, especially college pitchers coming off of their college season. Maybe a few innings with the FCL team or Palm Beach? Or will they be shut down until 2026?
In 2025, there is an entire new player development/pitching development brain trust with no track record. I discussed this on the podcast and had thought about it ahead of time. I asked Doyle about his throwing over the last month. He told me he could be ready in a week if that is what the Cards want.
While I agree that this draft certainly seems like a slight departure/improvement over the past few years worth of embarrassingly low-upside/conservative players (especially pitchers), I still wish that they had taken more shots with high school players. Without knowing the signing demands, I assume that Doyle & most of the other college players, signs for slot or slightly below. Nothing too extreme either way. That leaves their lone HS player as the only overslot guy. Based on his pre-draft rankings (pretty close to the spot he was drafted) I can’t imagine that he demanded double the slot value (3+ million). If the Cards spend the allowable 5% overage (without forfeiting a draft pick), that adds an extra $700K+ to the pool. Did that entire 700K go towards paying the high school kid? Could they have used that money, along with some senior signs, to bring in a couple of more high school kids with untapped upside?
The Rays, with a very similar draft pool, took 5 high school players along with 3 JC players (another younger demographic).
The sparse talent up in the system, and the unlikelihood that the ML team will improve until more help emerges from the system, may explain the preference for college players.
$ not yet reported, but I expect it to be at slot value.
We have signed LHP Liam Doyle.
Welcome to St. Louis, Liam! pic.twitter.com/TAZgFogZ2g
— St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) July 17, 2025
We have hard about some of the personnel & philosophical changes to the development side of things, but can you speak to whether or not there have been similar changes to the scouting side of things, either domestic or international?
About 900k saved against the slot value. I’m still wondering who’s going so much over slot to use up the savings and allowable surplus.
No. 5 overall pick Liam Doyle signs with @Cardinals for $7.25 million (slot value = $8,134,800). @Vol_Baseball LHP, led NCAA D-I with 15.4 K/9, best fastball in @MLBDraft, sits at 96 mph, touches 100, comes out of high release point & explodes at top of strike zone. pic.twitter.com/1bWuxoFxEt
— Jim Callis (@jimcallisMLB) July 17, 2025
Hopefully this means we have the money for 11th rounder SS Jalin Flores. High risk guy that was more like rd 6-8 talent
Gronsky asked:
We have hard about some of the personnel & philosophical changes to the development side of things, but can you speak to whether or not there have been similar changes to the scouting side of things, either domestic or international?
Not that I am aware of. Most of the individuals are the same.
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