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April 2, 2024 at 9:24 am #246118
How about his four seasons since then? Hudson had one good year, got hurt and that was it.
April 2, 2024 at 10:11 am #246123Bum shoulder guys seldom work out, but that doesn’t deter POBOs from hoping and praying. (see Roby).
April 2, 2024 at 10:39 am #246128
stlcard25ParticipantI really liked Hudson for the team we had, but he wasn’t really a #1/2 even in that one good year. Hopefully we get a #1 from the group in the high minors now, but that’s a tough ask.
April 2, 2024 at 12:03 pm #246130bccran
ParticipantUnfortunately, you can’t predict injuries. I talked to coaches at Spring Training the year after Hudson was drafted and they raved about his 96 MPH sinking fast ball.
Flaherty
Wacha
Hudson
Martinez
Gallen
Alcantara
Etc.There have been some successes.
April 2, 2024 at 12:05 pm #246131I thought Hudson would be real good, but the injury seemed to have really derailed him. I liked Woodford as well as a mid-rotation starter, and it never worked out.
Now I am high on Liberatore and McGreevey, not to mention Hence. So far they have not committed to Liberatore, using him in some starts here and there and the bullpen. Nothing consistent so the jury is still out. Looks to be a reliever this year unless some guys start going down.
April 2, 2024 at 1:07 pm #246135bccran
ParticipantMikemike – Add Roby to your list. Many feel he and Hence have the highest ceilings in the system.
April 2, 2024 at 1:43 pm #246138I’m wondering why both Hence and Roby are at AA instead of AAA.
April 2, 2024 at 2:17 pm #246141bccran
ParticipantTink Hence is only 20 years old, and split his time last year between high A and AA. He had a 6.13 ERA at Springfield in 12 starts. He hasn’t earned a promotion yet and isn’t quite ready for AAA. Roby is only 22 and his development has been slowed by injury. Best to start him out slowly. He has only 14 starts so far at AA.
April 2, 2024 at 2:36 pm #246144Actually, Hence is 21. He’ll be 22 in early August. It would be nice for both he and Roby get some AAA experience later in the season.
April 2, 2024 at 3:37 pm #246148bccran
ParticipantThat would be great if they earned a promotion to AAA, Shady. Whom would you project they replace in the Memphis rotation?
April 2, 2024 at 3:45 pm #246149Not sure, right now. The same performance factor applies to the AAA starting pitchers as to Hence and Roby.
April 2, 2024 at 3:51 pm #246151bccran
ParticipantShady – Just thought you might have some specific ideas about Graceffo, McGreevy, Kloffenstein, Rom, Robberse, etc. Always enjoy your input.
April 2, 2024 at 4:02 pm #246152Thanks. Same to you. That is an impressive starting staff at AAA. Maybe one or two will be with the big club later in the season. That might open up something for Hence and/or Roby.
April 2, 2024 at 6:17 pm #246168I would agree.
Many AA and AAA players could transition up, down, or out down depending on their performance or the needs of the organization.
April 2, 2024 at 6:56 pm #246170bccran
ParticipantShady –
How do you feel about Rom, McGreevy, Graceffo, Robberse, and
Kloffenstein? Would appreciate your input. How would you stack rank them as far as their chances to make the major league club and stick in the next year or two? Thanks very much in advance.April 2, 2024 at 7:04 pm #246171Actually, I see them as dead even, right now. Robersee is quite impressive this evening against a good team. I’ve seen some impressive video of Kloffensten. And I remember Rom having some outstanding stretches of pitching. Not many, but some. Graceffo and McGreevy have looked good. Add Hence, Roby, Hjerpe and Mautz and the Cardinals seem to have a bevvy of young starting pitching talent coming along.
April 2, 2024 at 11:01 pm #246288bccran
ParticipantTotally agree, Shady.
April 4, 2024 at 4:25 pm #246552Cardinals come in at no. 20.
Major-league starting rotations seem to get thinner and thinner each year, but there are still several elite groups among the top teams.
So, who has the best rotation, top to bottom?@JimBowdenGM ranks them all 1 to 30 ⤵️https://t.co/oym674a3HT
— The Athletic (@TheAthletic) April 4, 2024
April 5, 2024 at 12:28 pm #246656And Mo wonders why he’s getting booed by the fans, lol.
April 6, 2024 at 8:41 am #246741When do we anticipate Gray making his first major league start?
If Lynn continues to get knocked around the park (he was extremely fortunate in his first start not to get lit up on the scoreboard) how long before he goes on the IL with some sort of innocuous injury and then reappears in the bullpen?
April 6, 2024 at 8:57 am #246744Well, through two starts, #6 starter Thompson’s ERA is seven. So who would you start instead of Lynn? My assessment is that they have little choice but to keep riding that horse…
April 6, 2024 at 9:47 am #246755When Gray comes back I assume Thompson is back to the pen or to Memphis to continue to start.
If Lynn continues to flail around through 6-8 starts then at that point you probably give Thompson another shot or if not him then maybe another Memphis starter is showing some chops and gets an audition.
I think we can also count on a couple more injuries of some sort in the starting rotation so, there is also that to consider.
Mo is probably going to need to pull some more trade deadline magic and produce a couple of serviceable starters. Hopefully he can reproduce the results from 2022 in that department…
April 6, 2024 at 12:28 pm #24676214NyquisT
ParticipantMy assessment is that they have little choice but to keep riding that horse…
I had to look at the date for this post because it sounds like a comment from last season. Who was it that said “the more things change the more they remain the same”.
Lynn will stay in the rotation no matter what he is p[itching like… his contract….. remember?
Mo is probably going to need to pull some more trade deadline magic
The American Magician Association has yanked his membership card back saying that he has lost his magical touch.
May 29, 2024 at 5:22 pm #254322Lets review quality starts. Note that Pallante now has as many as Matz, Liberatore and Thompson combined, even though he has one start and they collectively have eleven.
Gibson 6
Mikolas 5
Gray 4
Lynn 3
Pallante 1
Matz 0
Liberatore 0
Thompson 0June 14, 2024 at 7:17 am #256207I wanted to take a look at how Gibson and Lynn are doing. It is Lynn’s age 37 season and Gibson’s age 36 season, so I decided to compare to Wainwright’s age 37 season, which was 2019. Call it the Wainwright equivalency test. It should be noted that Wainwright was pitching for a 91 win team that advanced to post and won the Division series, whereas Gibson and Lynn are pitching for a .500ish team. I am just presenting the data, not commenting upon it.
SQ%=percentage of starts that are quality starts
GSA= game score averageWainwright, ERA 4.19, FIP 4.36, QS% 45, GSA 50.3
Gibson, ERA 3.76, FIP 4,35, QS% 54, GSA 53.5
Lynn, ERA 3.75, FIP 3.92, QS% 21, GSA 49.8 -
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