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I saw where the Cardinals had a shot to get woodruff pretty cheap. Yea he’s injured this year but would have been a big help next year vs what they have or will probably get. I don’t know, just seems like totally poor management to me. I doubt anyone else here feels the same due to his injury but I still say it would have been a great move for next year.
it would have been a great move for next year.
Because shoulder surgery has a predictable outcome like Tommy John? Or because rolling the dice on a shoulder reclamation rotation piece a year out is ‘a great move’? Or some other line of thought? I do not understand this.
It’s way too early to say that signing Woodruff would have been a great move, or a terrible move. Just about any outcome could easily result from his rehab and return. That said, this one looks like he probably just enjoyed Milwaukee and wanted to come back. No one else really made a crazy offer (and it’s still unknown how he’ll come back from surgery) and so he’s back as a Brewer.
Throwing big money at shoulder injuries is a terrible move, unless the shoulder belongs to Chris Carpenter.
This article suggests we may still be involved with Jordan Montgomery.
https://fanrecap.com/cardinals-urged-to-seize-the-moment-and-secure-jordan-montgomerys-arm-for-a-powerhouse-rotation/?e_md5=3497c8266ebabee9f5bc4a820b8b7a55&e_sha1=6285367f3e930c556fa3f323eb45585109e46215&e_sha256=ad5299b7e5466d751aab0c6d15f128aea5bfc0e5e659c27dba53267915676518Unnamed author. No quotes or reference to the source of the supposed information. A site I’ve never heard of. That is three strikes for me. But I clicked on the link, so they win…
Pitchers who start spring late seem to struggle; those who were ridden deep into the playoffs may benefit from a late start. It seems like Monty will end up making enough that the Cardinals will never even make an offer. Rightfully so.
The only possible way Mo picks up the phone to call Boras is if Gray goes down before Monty signs. Even in that case, the Cards would not out bid the crazy people.
You have to provide starts for your young starters. They have to overcome struggles to be great, and you can’t do that if you take those opportunities and hand them to outsiders. When those outsiders are less talented and have no organizational equity, you breed ill will amongst your most prized humans.
I would think Monty is anxious to get a deal done, and perhaps a not-too-long agreement could be made. The Cardinals need to be in the mix for him. Not sure I would call our rotation a “powerhouse” if they sign him like they do in the article GC linked, but it would certainly be much better.
Boras ended up having to accept a short term deal for Bellinger. I don’t know if that will apply to Montgomery or not. Probably not.
I’m sure someone probably offered a long term deal for Montgomery but at less money than the Boras team wanted so they continue to sit and wait for someone to up the ante – possibly when a starting pitcher inevitably gets injured in ST. That might sound risky because what if no one of significance gets hurt? I guess that’s when they try to go back and accept the previously offered lower deals. It’s probably not that much risk. With position players like Bellinger, the risk for the player was probably greater which is why they decided to get it done with the Cubs.
What always surprises me is when people seem to think that someone like Jordan Montgomery would now be willing to take something a LOT less than projected just because he hasn’t signed yet. I read stupid things like “why don’t the Cardinals just sign him for 1 year and $20 million?” It’s not that teams aren’t interested in him. It’s just that Boras has him holding out for big money.
It is a gamble on both sides holding out like Boras is doing with Montgomery. On the player’s side, you are looking for a team to see a desperate need for pitching after watching their team in some Spring games and/or seeing a guy they counted on sustain a fairly significant injury.
But on the team’s side, the thought is that the player and agent will eventually see that a lesser deal than what they hoped is still a lot better than no deal at all. That happened to Lance Lynn when he left our club the first time. The market was not what they thought it would be. And now Bellinger – as I heard it the Cubs made him an offer quite awhile back, and essentially told him “this is what we can do, but if you can do better elsewhere feel free to move on.”
The teams that seem to be mentioned most regarding Montgomery are the Red Sox, Giants, Phillies, and Rangers. The Phillies already have good pitching but they do have an aggressive front office so they could make another move. The Red Sox and Giants do not have good pitching but they must be balking at the price. The Rangers seem like a logical fit but I have read they are concerned about their TV deal revenue. Someone will eventually blink.
Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynn, through three spring starts, have combined to throw 5 2/3 innings. In those 5 2/3 innings, they have:
10 hits
11 runs, 11 earned
2 homers
6 Ks
3 BB/HBPThat's 13 guys reaching base, 11 of them scoring while getting 17 guys out.#STLCards
— Ben Cerutti (@stlfanbc7) March 8, 2024
I know his name came up earlier , but is Clevinger a viable candidate at this point?
Veteran Starter Looking For Deal In Cardinals’ Range; Could St. Louis Swoop In?
Originally posted on FanNation Inside The Cardinals
By Patrick McAvoy | Last updated 3/18/24BenFred: Where is the Cardinals’ version of Bobby Miller? He can’t get here soon enough. https://t.co/EEPBOMb7bM
— STL Cardinals News (@STLCardsNews) March 31, 2024
If Lynn, Gibson, and Matz continue to pitch well, and Mikolas rebounds as Sonny comes back, this could be a very interesting season. Just hope they all stay healthy.
The Cards have had a pretty rough go of it with their top pitching prospects in the last 10 years or so. Whether the training staff needs a long look (the number of injuries has been staggering) or whether development is lacking (oddly, Alacantara and Gallen have flourished outside our system), they haven’t had a home grown #1/2 debut since at least Flaherty and you could probably argue not since Carlos Martinez.
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