2023 StL Game #69: Wednesday, June 14 vs. Giants

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    Brian Walton
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    12:15 p.m.
    LHP Jordan Montgomery (3-7, 3.88) vs. RHP Anthony DeSclafani (4-6, 3.89)
    BSM // KMOX // WIJR
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    #224354
    ZTR
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    14 games under .500.

    The Mo and Marmol show is unwatchable.

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    I will watch but changes need to be made.

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    gscottar
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    I honestly believe that the front office feels that this team just needs a couple of Happ or Lester type additions and everything will be fixed. I am not confident we will do what we need to do at the trade deadline next month, which is to begin getting rid of the dead wood.

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    stlcard25
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    It’s Flag Day…not sure it’s not time to throw up the white flag on this year and for a change, do the full on rebuild. Just about anyone is for sale, for the right place. I hate to say it, but the guy who may be the best candidate to go is Arenado. Open up 3B for Gorman, who is probably similar value going forward and a ton cheaper. Then spend $$ on pitching, pitching, pitching.

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    Their M.O. has always been to clip around the edges of the dead bush. They are operating as an echo chamber, and that’s why they are failing so spectacularly this season. It’s on the ownership to right the ship. Unfortunately, they are very much a part of that echo chamber and have gotten complacent of their past thinking that buys them space. This world is a what have you done lately, and that reality says they haven’t been competitive for a World Series Championship in over 10 seasons. So BDW, whatcha gonna do, bro? Sit idlely on the sidelines while the Rome burns?

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    It’s far to late to “fix” anything. This team is irreparably broke and no amount of deadline tinkering will change things significantly, especially when what really needs fixing is the fixers. I will, of course, watch the remaining games when possible given the time difference, because I love baseball and I’m a life-long Cardinals fan. But it’s without illusions of a post-season.

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    Just about anyone is for sale, for the right place. I hate to say it, but the guy who may be the best candidate to go is Arenado. Open up 3B for Gorman, who is probably similar value going forward and a ton cheaper. Then spend $$ on pitching, pitching, pitching.

    Yep, I said something similar a few weeks ago. Arenado would be high on my list to ship out. Free up tons of money for pitching and we already have his replacement ready. It would make Gorman more valuable also since I am assuming he is better defensively at 3B than 2B. It would also free up more DH at bats for our other defensively challenged players.

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    I was ecstatic with the acquisition of Arenado, but as much as it pains me, I agree with the above.

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    gscottar
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    A couple of interesting nuggets in this column.

    Even Cardinals manager Oliver Marmol has stopped publicly challenging his players. His signature bluntness is now dulled down. I’m sure he will be shredded for his positive postgame comments Tuesday. Hard to blame him for taking that route. He got crushed for challenging Tyler O’Neill to run harder at the season’s start. He took arrows for taking on something players on the team should have handled in the clubhouse but did not, leaving it to him to address. O’Neill is back to being hurt, always seemingly a week or so away from being ready to start getting ready, and Marmol is giving people the happy talk they wanted. Now he will get criticized for that, too.

    He’s not the only one getting criticized, though, and no one with fingerprints on this team gets to avoid it.

    As Tuesday’s losing outcome became inevitable, a beer vendor up near the ballpark’s press box was peppering his offers of cold, frosty ones with commentary about Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak. Drinking more of these beers, the vendor suggested to fans, would make fans think better of Mozeliak. Bold slogan for a ballpark employee.

    In a section over, a man wearing a Stan Musial uniform had it unbuttoned to display a T-shirt he wore underneath. “Fire Mo,” it read. He attempted and failed to lead a chant: “Mo has got to go.”

    You don’t often hear stuff like that at Busch. After a horrid start and a too-short stabilization, the Cardinals have once again let their home venue become a house of boos. Paying customers are starting to spew some of the same venom usually reserved for online angst.

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    Brian Walton
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    Walker moved up to fifth. He has a seven-game hitting streak and has hits in 25 of his 30 games this season. Still needs to play better defense though.

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    Didn’t Arenado say he came here to be with a winning play-off bound team? What is he saying now? Maybe he still wants to be with a competitive team…. which is presently not the Cardinals. And it appears now that a play-off team in St. Louis won’t be happening for a few years to come. He’ll probaBly welcome a trade to a better team.

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    Has Arenado made any statements even hinting at this? If not, saying he “probably” wants to leave seems very questionable. Most players are not mercenaries. They are committed to their team.

    No one other than them knows what he discussed with Mozeliak in the off-season. But it seems to me that bailing out this fast would not be likely.

    Arenado no longer has an opt-out and would have to approve any trade. Hard to believe the Cards would commit to a full scale teardown, which is what trading him would be.

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    jj-cf-stl
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    It will always be decisions that affect ticket sales in a positive manner. Winning foremost isn’t being supported by a middle of the road player budget.

    Golden-Nado aren’t going anywhere. We may see Rome as burning but Bill sees second in attendance per game. His model isn’t broken, ours is.

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    How many fans did he see in attendance last night. The box score says 40,917.

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    They won’t trade Arenado. They will give Goldy a 5 yr extension.

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    1toughdominican
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    The Cardinals are tied with their low point of the season at 14 games under .500 and with a loss today will reach the uncharted depth of 15 under. I’d be interested to know the last time the St. Louis, Cardinals were 15 games below sea level.

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    We could trade Aranado, Gorman and Walker are slugging 3rd basemen. Kkkkk.

    As to Walker hitting 5th, he’s just filling in because Contreras has the afternoon off. There are 80 million reasons why Willson and his .200 BA will stay in the middle of the order.

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    Brian Walton
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    This is the team’s lowest point at this part of the season since 1978.

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    Oliver
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    Not the best start to this game…rinse and repeat

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    jj-cf-stl
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    I’ll take this season and two more of Edman, thanks in advance.

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    Who is that guy in a Cardinals suit?

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    1toughdominican
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    I missed Eddie’s 2 out GS tater…I can’t think of a better way to bury a 3 for 30 slump.

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    bicyclemike
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    It’s gotten so bad, that with a 5-2 lead in the 5th I am wondering what we will do to blow this one. Will it be a defensive miscue that opens the floodgates, or the bullpen’s poor command putting a couple of runners on and igniting a Giant (literally) rally?

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    gscottar
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    With our bullpen we need at least 5 more runs. At least.

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