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Here are the relevant dates. The big money comes at six-plus years of MLB service – free agency. Up through three years of service, players make close to minimum salary. Years four through six, salaries ramp up via arbitration eligibility based on how well the player performs.
So, lets say Winn debuts to open 2024. 2024-2026, he makes relatively little. 2027-2029 he is arb eligible. 2030 he can become a free agent.
He won’t become a free agent unless he sticks around in the Big Leagues for awhile. He’s got a ways to go before he steps into a Big League box for the first time. No reason to rush him. The Redbirds clearly have the best IF in the NL with Nado, Eddie, Donnie and Goldy running clockwise around the diamond.
Speaking of payroll I contacted Derrick Goold about the discrepancy between his reporting of the Arenado contract and what Cots’, Roster Resource, and Spotrac had. He suggested I contact Cot’s and ask them myself or have them share why they had it listed that way. I did contact Cot’s and provided them with the information from Goold and they wrote me back thanking me for the information and they changed the Cardinal payroll listing on their website, which currently now sits at $165M.
Good messenger work, gscottar. Glad they accepted your documentation, but I wonder why the source just didn’t contact them himself… Oh, well, the result is what matters…
I really don’t know how these payroll reporting sites get their information. Some front offices may be more willing to share than others, I really don’t know.
Let’s bring this back to the front page. With the Contreras signing and news of deferrals for Waino and Arenado and likely some other news, where do the Cardinals stand right now in payroll?
According to Cot’s the Cardinals are currently at $171.9M for 2023.
As of today, 8-15-22, here are the payrolls for each team per Cot’s. Obviously this will change some before opening day as there are more free agent signings and trades to come.
1. Mets- 325.3
2. Yankees- 250.9
3. Padres- 229.5
4. Phillies- 223.6
5. Blue Jays- 204.9
6. Braves- 192.9
7. Angels- 190.5
8. Giants- 178.5
9. Astros- 174.1
10. Rangers- 171.9
11. Cardinals- 171.9
12. Dodgers- 169.8
13. White Sox- 167.6
14. Rockies- 159.3
15. Red Sox- 153.0
16. Cubs- 152.1
17. Mariners- 131.1
18. Tigers- 118.4
19. Brewers- 103.3
20. Twins- 101.5
21. Nationals- 96.2
22. Diamondbacks- 93.7
23. Guardians- 89.4
24. Marlins- 83.1
25. Royals- 73.6
26. Reds- 71.2
27. Rays- 69.1
28. Pirates- 54.1
29. Orioles- 53.5
30. A’s- 41.2gscottar –
So is Goold’s position that the $16M from Colorado doesn’t count this year?
That is correct. Cardinals are paying ALL of Arenado’s salary in 2023. The $16M is to pay for some of the previously deferred salary.
So the Mets currently have a player payroll slightly higher than the Dodgers & Red Sox combined. Strange days. Dodgers are going to add some players before Opening Day, I’m sure. (Dansby, perhaps?)
But what in the world happened to the Red Sox, I’ve gotta wonder. First they don’t retain Betts. Now Bogaerts. And soon, Devers. They’ve got the same billionaire owner they did when Theo was there 15 years ago. But now he wants to win without spending, a la the Devil Rays. Good luck with that, Mr. Henry.
And the Cards’ player payroll is tied for 10th, or roughly commensurate with their revenue ranking.
The Cards have Waino and Arenado deferring $16M this year. Whether the Cardinals count it that way or not…I am not willing to give them the pass and call it “player payroll.” If it’s not going to the player now, then why anyone would consider it such is beyond me. None of us are required to view it as such, even if we can accept the reality that the team is probably not going to spend much more because of they way they count the money.
So…the actual Cards payroll is $155.9M, or 15th in the rankings.
The Cards have Waino and Arenado deferring $16M this year. Whether the Cardinals count it that way or not…I am not willing to give them the pass and call it “player payroll.” If it’s not going to the player now, then why anyone would consider it such is beyond me. None of us are required to view it as such, even if we can accept the reality that the team is probably not going to spend much more because of they way they count the money.
So…the actual Cards payroll is $155.9M, or 15th in the rankings.
I would imagine the Cardinals aren’t the only team with deferred payroll. I am assuming that MLB requires all teams to account for it this way so if you factored in other teams deferred money the rankings might not change much.
So the Mets currently have a player payroll slightly higher than the Dodgers & Red Sox combined. Strange days. Dodgers are going to add some players before Opening Day, I’m sure. (Dansby, perhaps?)
The Dodgers will probably make some more additions but I don’t think they are going to have their payroll as high as in years past. In addition to bringing back Clayton Kershaw on a one year deal their offseason has thus far included adding Noah Syndergaard, Jason Heyward, and Shelby Miller. Not exactly blockbuster stuff.
There are two factors holding them back. First, I think they want to stay under the luxury tax this time to reset so they can go big next winter for Shohei Ohtani. Secondly, they are still waiting to hear if they are going to have to pay Trevor Bauer or not. His suspension is under appeal, and depending on that ruling, all or part of his $35M may be added back to their payroll. That will go down as one of the most disastrous free agent signings of all time.
I will be surprised if it makes it to 180mil by opening day.
Today the pitching staff is worse than it was by the end of 2022, with the loss of Q and no new arms added.
jj, yes it’s a concern. It’s the same approach as the trade deadline attitude of equating guys coming off the IL as “acquisitions” enhancing the roster. Really need a couple of those guys to bounce back.
Mo’s strategy seems to be wait and see who is still answering the bell at mid season and hire them. There is something to be said for that approach
Mo’s strategy seems to be wait and see who is still answering the bell at mid season and hire them. There is something to be said for that approach
That only works because we are in the NLC. In a tougher division you couldn’t afford to flounder for the first four months.
I think there will be another acquisition before opening day and the payroll will be over 180M.
Updated payroll rankings as of 12-18-22. Cubs currently the top spender in the NLC.
1. Mets $325.3
2. Yankees $272.8
3. Padres $229.5
4. Phillies $223.6
5. Blue Jays $202.9
6. Braves $192.9
7. Angels $190.5
8. White Sox $181.7
9. Dodgers $178.9
10. Giants $178.5
11. Cubs $177.6
12. Astros $174.1
13. Rangers $171.9
14. Cardinals $171.9
15. Rockies $159.3
16. Red Sox $150.7
17. Mariners $131.1
18. Tigers $118.4
19. Twins $111.7
20. Brewers $111.4
21. Nationals $96.2
22. Diamondbacks $95.6
23. Guardians $89.4
24. Marlins $83.1
25. Royals $73.6
26. Reds $71.2
27. Rays $69.1
28. Orioles $60.6
29. Pirates $59.2
30. A’s $47.3I’m more than a little surprised that the Brewers are above the $100 MM threshold. It’s also something of interest that since 1985, the Kansas City, Royals have won as many WS Championships as my favorite team. At any rate, I don’t see how these ballclubs that make up the lower portion of the list have a sliver of a chance to compete. That’s a shame.
Cot's has the Mets with a total 2023 payroll bill of $495 million at the moment ($384m in player pay + $111m in luxury tax). Yes, that's a record https://t.co/1yF1vMZlLQ
— Travis Sawchik (@Travis_Sawchik) December 21, 2022
The Mets spent more in free agency in one night ($315m) than the Pirates have spent since 2010 ($207m)
— Travis Sawchik (@Travis_Sawchik) December 21, 2022
Baseball is king in NYC again https://t.co/V4l3EY4MUH
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) December 21, 2022
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