2023 Draft

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  • #227702
    Bw52
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    Already seeing fans on Cards talk bitching because Cards have not signed any UDFA college players yet.

    #227706
    Brian Walton
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    bling said:

    The LSU commit is a Hail Mary according to Flores. The Cards came into it with a smaller pool because of no second round pool money. But they also don’t have to spend anything signing that pick. They should save something signing all the seniors, so there should be some amount of dry powder.

    Folks can see more of Flores’ comments in our draft articles on the home page. That includes Hail Mary and comments about the dynamics of signing seniors, which is a question I asked him directly.

    Most of the seniors (five) were taken on Day 3, so that wouldn’t save any money that could be used on the Top 10 round guys.

    #227711
    bccran
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    Pitchers stats for this draft –

    Quinn Matthews – 3.75 ERA / 124.2 IP / 116 H / 158 K / 40 W
    Jason Savacool – 2.93 ERA / 107.2 IP / 84 H / 123 K / 28 W
    Chas. Harrison – 1.38 ERA / 26 IP / 21 H / 37 K / 8 W
    Ixan Henderson – 3.74 ERA / 89 IP / 80 H / 100 K / 34 W
    Christian Worley – 2.70 /ERA / 10 IP / 6 H / 15K / 2 W
    Jacob Odie – 6.92 ERA / 14.1 IP / 13 H / 22 K / 18 W
    Tyler Bradt – 8.10 ERA / 16.2 IP / 28 H / 23 K / 10 W
    Hunter Kublick – 2.54 ERA / 39 IP / 28 H / 44 K / 11 W
    Cameron Johnson – 0.78 ERA (high schooler)

    First 5 plus Kublick look promising. Worley and Johnson had some injuries.

    Position Players stats for this draft –

    Chris Davis – .362/.489/.742/1.231/ 21 HR / 74 RBI/ 0 SB
    Travis Honeyman – .304/.383/.534/.917/ 6 HR / 30 RBI / 10 SB
    Zach Levenson – .292/.397/.554/.951/ 14 HR / 45 RBI / 4 SB
    Caden Kendle – .335/.434/.535/.989/ 8 HR / 56 RBI / 7 SB
    Dakota Harris – .328/.403/.516/.919/ 7 HR / 48 RBI / 5 SB
    Brayden Jobert – .301/.409/.596/1.005/ 14 HR / 29 RBI / 4 SB
    Wm. Sullivan – .310/.415/.624/1.093/ 17 HR / 53 RBI / 2 SB
    Tre Richardson – .311/.392/.452/.844/ 6 HR / 60 RBI / 25 SB
    Trey Paige – .372/.468/.691/1.159/ 14 HR / 53 RBI / 10 SB
    Graysen Tarlow – .311/.417/.429/.846/ 3 HR / 41 RBI / 9 SB

    5 players with 14 or more HR. Seems like there was some emphasis on power this year.

    #227712
    blingboy
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    They seemed to like pitchers who have trouble with the strike zone. Maybe they’re moving from pitchability to chuck-n-duck types.

    #227713
    bccran
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    Maybe power guys, BB?

    #227714
    bccran
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    If you’re getting a lot of strike outs, what’s an acceptable
    number of walks to give over 9 innings?

    #227715
    bccran
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    For instance, Kershaw has given up an average of 2.1 walks per 9 innings over his career. So is 2-3 walks per 9 innings okay?

    #227754
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    I don’t see any McCormick type wild pitchers they took, all of those look fairly reasonable on innings pitched to walks issued, some look pretty good except for Odie and Brandt who threw 30 innings b/w themselves.

    For reference….Mark McCormick was a pitcher from Baylor they took in the 1st or 2nd round of the 2005 draft who couldn’t find the strike zone in college and had the same issues in the minors.

    #227757
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    what’s an acceptable number of walks to give over 9 innings?

    That depends a lot upon how many hits you give up over 9 innings. As long as the traffic on the bases is light, it doesn’t matter how they got on base.

    #227761
    bccran
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    Maybe a K/W measure is a better ratio?

    #227762
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    Maybe a K/W measure is a better ratio?

    I think he is looking at WHIP

    #227765
    blingboy
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    Maybe a K/W measure is a better ratio?

    Maybe so bccran, but I think there are different schools of thought, which seem to wax and wane in popularity. Sometimes its pitch to contact and sometimes its missing bats. A K/BB ratio that is acceptable to one school might not be to another. But it seems like whichever school of thought, more strike outs and less walks would be better than vice versa.

    My view is I like guys who can throw strikes. I would start with that. My reasoning goes like this. Everybody in MLB can hit 99 MPH now days. To make the 99 effective you have to have effective secondary pitches and pitch sequencing to keep them guessing, and you have to have good enough control consistently to throw enough strikes but not catch too much plate. But if you possess all those attributes, then you don’t have to throw 99 to get guys out, so there is no point focussing your attention on that.

    #227783
    gscottar
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    I think the statistic you guys are looking for already exists, which is WHIP. Anything below 1.00 is very good. Over 1.50 and things start getting dicey.

    #227791
    ZTR
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    So, we’ll know how we did in this draft in 2-3 years.

    I guess the logical question would be, how are our 2019 and 2020 picks looking overall as a ‘grade’?

    #227795
    Brian Walton
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    2019 so-so at best.

    Thompson, Pallante – MLB players
    Fletcher – major miss
    Locey – traded as part of Arenado deal
    Thomas, Pages – TBD

    2020 exceptional, despite being only five rounds.

    Walker, Burleson – MLB players
    Winn, Hence – top prospects
    Bedell – TBD

    #227796
    blingboy
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    2018 was good too: Gorman, Baker, Donovan, Nootbaar. Some big misses too.

    #227797
    Brian Walton
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    Anytime you can get two or more solid MLB players from a single draft, that is a good return.

    #227822
    bccran
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    They say that only 10-15% of drafted players will make the majors and stay there for a reasonable period of time. That means if we draft 20 players in 2023, only 2-3 will probably be contributors to the Cardinals in a few years and for a few years.

    2011 – Wong, Maness
    2012 – Wacha, Piscotty, Wisdom, Carson Kelly
    2013- Gonzales, Mercado, Mayers
    2014 – Weaver, Flaherty, Gomber, Ponce de Leon
    2015 – Woodford, Bader, Hicks, DeJong, Helsley
    2016 – Carlson, Hudson, Gallen, Edman, Knizner
    2017 – none
    2018 – Gorman, Donovan, Nootbaar
    2019 – Thompson, Pallante
    2020 – Walker, Burleson, (Winn), (Hence)
    2021 – (Graceffo), (McGreevy)
    2022 – (Hjerpe), (Mautz), (Hansen)

    Pretty decent drafting record, actually.

    #227843
    Brian Walton
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    According to Baseball America, these three signed, none over the $150K bonus threshold.

    11th Dakota Harris
    13th William Sullivan
    19th Graysen Tarlow

    From rounds 1-10
    6th Jason Savacool (slot)
    7th Charles Harrison (slot)
    9th Christian Worley ($24.4K over)

    Likely the team will make an official announcement of the first batch in the next few days.

    #227845
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    Scott Hurst from 2017 made it the big leagues briefly. Appeared in 5 games in 2021.

    #227851
    blingboy
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    Happy to see that Sullivan signed. From the article : ” Sullivan can absolutely demolish the baseball.”

    #227852
    Jnevel
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    He’s only counting significant contributions. Kramer Robertson and Kodi Whitley have also made it to the majors from that 2017 class. But none spent much time there. Whitley has made the most contribution.

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    #227880
    bicyclemike
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    We seem to like having two guys with same first names. At times we have had two, sometimes three Adam’s, Tyler’s, Jordan’s, Paul’s, Nolan’s and probably a couple others. Now we could see two Chases’s someday.

    #227881
    bccran
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    A cup of coffee doesn’t count. Only guys who have stuck for awhile.

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