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Yeah, if Molina affords so much as a questionable glance, you can be reasonably certain there’s a genuine issue.
I agree. I may be wrong, but I don’t recall ever entirely placing the blame of a Cardinal loss on an umpire since Oct. of 1985. Even then, the Cardinals completely imploded in that game after the bad call. There was a subsequent WP, a PB, and a miscommunication by Clark and Porter on a easy out foul pop up that allowed the ball to touch the turf and keep the hitter alive during that fateful home half of the 9th in KC. And the Redbirds still had a chance to win and close it out the following night and proceded to cave again in Game 7. I’ll also add that as a team they displayed a collective BA of .185 during those 7 WS ballgames. That sort of hitting performance won’t get it done with an umpiring crew equipped with laser vision. Bad calls and injuries have always been a part of the game. Good teams overcome and persevere. I say keep it the way it is. That’s just baseball.
Well the batting averages of both teams weren’t good. Probably better for Kansas City but mainly due to last game. Far as the implosion, yea they did a bit. But all that wouldn’t have happened if obvious right call was made. Also and this is the point I look at most. Worrel our closer was just a rookie that season. And he pretty much mowed down batters left n right. So to me it was unjustly adding pressure to a guy who wasn’t used to that plus he was just a rookie which everyone knows is different than say a veteran being out there. The next day I say was partly if not heavily influenced by the bad call. Not an excuse, just my thought on it. You can say good teams overcome bad calls and such but that’s not always the case. And also the Cardinals particularly minus Coleman whose stupid antics got him injured really before the series began were really pretty much even far as how good they were with kc. So one really bad call can determine an outcome in that situation. It wasn’t a bang bang play where you have one team jumping up n down one way and the other doing the same the other way, their team was just as shocked as our team was, that’s how bad a call it was.
That game along with the 7th game changed a lot of things for John Tudor though. If the call had been made right or if Tudor throws a gem in the 7th game like a shutout even if it’s tied n they lose it in extras, I think Tudor would have gotten far more outside recognition for that season than he did. He was just almost perfect from June through playoffs. For me, it’s by far the best pitching I’ve seen a cardinal do. I was only 3 when Gibson pitched in 68 so I can’t include that.
I was watching that game on television and even that way you could see that Orta was out by half a step. It was not as close as many plays are that the umps would get right, so I was shocked when Denkinger called him safe.
It seemed to me at the time that Denkinger got caught up in the home field excitement and sort of went with home team if he was in doubt. Should have been an easy call, but he missed it and our club panicked.
Very excited to have TD (Tough Dominican) riding high in the PBP saddle with me tomorrow evening. We’ve searched high and far these past few years for an individual to grab the PBP bull by the horns and call the visitor at bats for our game threads. TD comes to us with a baseball resume reeking in knowledge, competence and flair. So let us roll out our red welcome mat for our distinguished new member. I think you all are in for a treat.
Tudor worked 10 shutouts during the ’85 regular season and finished it off with a W/L record of 21-8 to go along with an ERA of 1.93 and Dwight Gooden at 20 years of age somewhat justifiably beat him out in the Cy Young vote that year. I have to agree with you insofar as, with the possible exception of Chris Carpenter’s multiple outstanding performances in the post season, there probably hasn’t been a more dominant Redbird pitcher since Tudor in ’85. Incidentally, Gibson worked 13 shutouts in ’68. I was 11 years old. I’d sure go back if I could.
Ha Ha…Thanks Pugs, but you’re giving me the pregame yips! I’m not certain I even know what to do…Might be some dead air time. I’m a two fingered key board guy!
Yeah, no question as to the entire thing was an absolute debacle. Much worse than the ’04 WS. I’m getting a bit queasy. Let’s talk about ’06 and ’11. How’d you like to be a Rangers fan?
Oh yeah, he was without question out by at least half a step. And as you pointed out, the Redbirds panicked and to make matters worse, it carried over to affect them the following night in game 7. That’s precisely how I viewed it.
Welcome W.U. Glad you are here. Can already tell you are a great addition. I came here from the old stlsportsforum, that had some very good guys and one who hated TLR that ruined it for me. Fan only since 1996, so I’m a newbie.
I will try to be your plucky comic relief, like Guy Fleegman in Galaxy Quest.
The activity on game threads is directly proportional to the quality of our relief pitching, I find. It is just too depressing to see certain pitchers rolled out there, and I tend to hide under a rock. I’ve told my wife four times that baseball season ended early. Glad I was wrong.
Ha Ha…I was on the MLB.com Cardinal forum for several seasons before it shut down in 2018. There were a lot of folks on there that enjoyed posting hateful comments aimed at LaRussa. Jake Westbrook is another guy I recall that they liked to ride. Most of them probably hadn’t followed Big League baseball for more than a minute or two. I remember one guy who asked me why I called a walk a BB…There were a lot of good and knowledgeable fans on there too and I still miss it. This forum looks to have the potential to be a lot of fun. Two things that I always really enjoy talking about to others are Big League baseball and motorcycles. Take care!
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