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January 7, 2019 at 12:11 pm #79427
Interesting list in that most think all our best prospects are in the upper levels but it is almost certain that 7-8 of this top 10 will be eligible next year.
January 7, 2019 at 12:31 pm #79429FWIW, Fangraphs has Sosa ninth, as well. Maybe two years ago…
January 7, 2019 at 12:51 pm #79430For whoever wants this, here is a link to a spreadsheet I made with the prospects list from CardsTalk, Cardinal Nation, Fangraphs, Viva El Birdos, Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus. I’m missing MLB Pipeline’s and Kyle Reiss’ Dirty Thirty-Five list.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uCoBTVuNh4I8_7o3iV-nfrcY2c8kFvcK21PFsXbR7QI/edit?usp=sharing
January 7, 2019 at 1:14 pm #7943214NyquisT
ParticipantBHC…. that looks like what I have. I’ve included Brian’s and Derek’s lists which I add to my aggregate rankings since I’m partial to the opinions of those related to TCN.
Someone needs to wake Kyle up.
January 7, 2019 at 1:36 pm #79433Kyle tweeted today his list is done. I’m not sure how he plans on releasing it going forward.
January 7, 2019 at 5:35 pm #79458Kyle Reis is some guy. One minute he’s helping destroy the Terminator, and the next he’s making prospect lists.
I don’t have Sosa in my top 10, but do have him 12th, and roughly 280th overall. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but he had a long stretch of good hitting in AA — like his final two months there or so. Something of that nature. And he’s considered an actual shortstop. Nice boring average defender at the position, is the consensus I believe.
Nunez is 6th for BPro and 28th for Fangraphs — who has the Cardinals as the worst of the 10 farm systems they’ve evaluated so far. Nice to see BPro not discounting Nunez too much for his excessive physical strength.
January 7, 2019 at 11:54 pm #79467Okay, here’s some more Edmundo info.
On April 26th the 22-year-old was hitting just .221/.229/.353 in AA. Over the next two months he hit nearly .300 with a roughly .800 OPS, earning a promotion to AAA, where he held his own for a couple of months with a boringly adequate line of .262/.321/.408. (Certainly adequate for a 22-year-old shortstop in the Pacific Coast League.)
And that was in a pretty severe hitting environment, relative to the PCL.
In Memphis: .198/.274/.256
On the road: .314/.360/.533It was the addition of medium power that made his season interesting. The 30 doubles were more than he hit in 2016 and 2017 combined. The 12 homers equaled 2014 + ’15 + ’16 + ’17. What happened for Edmundo Sosa in 2018 was more or less what happened for Lane Thomas: Sosa had his first fully healthy season since leaving rookieball, and he drove the ball like never before.
Sosa still has question marks, of course. The plate discipline indicators are weak, and obviously his health history remains a red flag. But I like him as an MLB utilityman going forward. Maybe a very good one, if he can add patience to his power. (Assuming he retains the latter.)
January 8, 2019 at 5:40 am #79468and he drove the ball like never before
I would like to think this not to be the case, but Edmundo certainly wouldn’t be the first Sosa to mingle a little cork in with his lumber.
January 8, 2019 at 8:44 am #79488It seems as each day goes by there is less and less chance that Delvin Perez will make it to the big leagues. He his still young enough to turn it around but he really needs to show signs of offensive improvement this year. At this point the best we could possibly expect from him at the MLB level would be a Pete Kozma type, which is disappointing for a first rounder. (Ironically Kozma was also a first rounder)
January 8, 2019 at 9:36 am #79489At the comparable points in their careers, Kozma was a better hitter.
January 8, 2019 at 4:47 pm #79527Kozma also wasn’t as highly thought of as Perez. I remember some of the scouting reports for Kozma when the Cards drafted him and they indicated a utility player ceiling with good defense and mediocre bat. Perez was rated a lot higher than that.
January 8, 2019 at 5:15 pm #79529Having prepared Cards prospect lists for a long time now, I can provide specifics. Kozma was never NOT ranked in our top 20.
Here are Kozma’s TCN rankings:
2008 #16
2009 #12
2010 #14
2011 #17Here are Perez’ TCN rankings so far:
2017 #3
2018 #16
2019 #35So in conclusion, the only year Perez was higher-ranked than Kozma was after their respective first partial seasons, based as much on bonus and reputation than reality. You will also note that Kozma reached the majors after his fourth year. That seems almost impossible to conceive for Perez with one year to go and him still in short-season ball.
P.S. Prior rankings are available to everyone via “PROSPECT RANKINGS” on the left, red column of this site.
January 8, 2019 at 5:26 pm #79530OPS by season:
First partial year Kozma (GCL/JC/Bat)/Perez (GCL): .655/.745
Second year Kozma (QC/PB)/Perez (GCL/JC): .701/.585
Third year Kozma (PB/Spr)/Perez (SC): .625/.573
Fourth year Kozma (Spr)/Perez (???): .702/???So, Perez had a better first partial season, but Kozma was promoted twice. That is it. The next two full seasons, Kozma was putting up better numbers at much higher levels with the same amount of pro experience.
January 8, 2019 at 7:50 pm #79537When will we get an idea what other DSL players are coming stateside for 2019? I was hoping we would get a better clue in the instructional names, Some of those young arms could fill the void of low level minor pitching. And there are some exciting bats beyond Nunez.
January 8, 2019 at 8:04 pm #79538STEP Camp will still be fairly exclusive, so we probably won’t have a good answer on the DSL crew coming over until the Extended Spring Training roster is shared. Of course, I will be mining for hints all along.
January 8, 2019 at 8:31 pm #79539I would think visas should already be in place, or problems discovered by now. Not sure how the process works.
January 8, 2019 at 8:48 pm #79541Yes, I imagine that is true. The Cardinals almost certainly know what they will be doing. The question is when they decide to share that detail with us.
January 8, 2019 at 9:33 pm #795422018 was interesting because there were a number of players who were promoted from DSL to stateside in the middle of the season. Something tells me that is uncommon for the Cards.
January 8, 2019 at 10:11 pm #79543Good observation, BHC. With two DSL teams, there are twice as many at-bats and innings pitched for players to impress.
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