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Brian, I am aware of Denton’s article, but I did not think he had any evidence that Bloom reported to Mo. Only that Bloom’s role vis-a-vis Mo was advisory. IIRC, the Cardinals press release did not say that Bloom reported to Mo, only that Bloom’s role was to advise Mo.
I had been thinking along the same lines 858 is about Gibson and Lynn not being back. $20M spent on a couple 5 innings guys and we stink and probably miss post again. BDW won’t waste the money again next year. Given the we po narrative, they may not hire anybody and just go with the laundry list.
If Mo and the FO get whacked, then all bets are off.
I mean the comments they make about not adding payroll at the deadline and in the future just gives me a feeling they won’t bring either back. So that’s what $22-23 million? You have arbitration players due a raise and such. You don’t bring back Kittridge and that 2.6 mill. Armstrong and Pham are prorated, Middleton will be bought out and clearly Crawford and Carpenter aren’t coming back.
I mean that’s not a ton of money to play with if they stay true and not advance payroll past this years mark. So trading seems like an idea to acquire a bat and we have 2 guys having down years that are left-handed that we could package for a bat. I see one team out there that needs bodies more than any other team in baseball. It’s not hard to figure out what team that is and what bat we can get. Granted we have some risk on our end getting that bat and then his contract is another.
bling, you are trying to draw a significant distinction between “advises” and “reports to” with no supporting evidence. After all, his title is “advisor”. I’ve spoken to all three guys involved and you haven’t, but keep on believing what you choose to believe.
At the end of the day, the Cardinals are probably what we thought they were at the beginning of the season.
Most people thought the Cardinals would be around a .500 club, at best. That looks accurate.
The pitching additions made last offseason have largely worked as good or better than we thought. I would expect most of them back. Hard to pass up the options on Gibson & Lynn, when the real value would be in trading Matz & Mikolas. By value, I mean addition by subtraction and freeing up salary.
What nobody expected was the complete collapse of Goldy, Arenado, Gorman & Walker (at the same time).
I love baseball, Period. From the Cardinals all the way down to my grandson’s Little League team. The difference is, if you make it to the majors you’re supposed to be a PROFESSIONAL.
In past years, even if the team as a whole wasn’t doing well, especially in the playoffs, I still enjoyed watching young players. It’s fun to cheer for them. This season, I looked forward to watching Walker, Gorman, Winn, Herrera, Burleson, Thompson, Liberatore, possibly Scott, etc. That ballon kind of burst, so I moved to carefully watching some of the guys we got last July like Saggese, Prieto, Roby, Robberse, Rom,
Kloffenstein, etc. That bubble burst.
Finally I turned my attention to guys in the system that I’ve felt have some realistic potential. Guys like Granillo, Davis, Baez, Cho, Bedell, Hjerpe, Mautz, etc. That didn’t do it either.So Brian, my hat’s off to you for continuing to be such a great inspired leader of TCN under the circumstances.
At this point, I just want whatever has to happen for BDW to clean house from Mo down to happen.
If that means another losing season then that’s what I ‘want’.
It’s been a slow, mainly steady decay since 2013 really and we all know what and who the issue is.
The explanation may be twofold, ZTR.
It’s pretty much an accepted principle that as people age, they can become more conservative in nature. They settle into habit patterns that provide security. They become not only financially more conservative, but rely even more on the people who have been surrounding them for years. People they trust personally, no matter their competency.
The other concept is that people who have been successful in a job can become complacent, resting on past laurels. They ultimately get a bit stale in their job. The “been there, done that” that creeps into their thinking. They also aren’t that quick to change based upon changes in the market. They are slow to understand that what worked before may not work now.
Those past successes can result in a pride that gets in their way.If those two concepts apply specifically and individually to the two people at the top of the Cardinals organization, it may make things a little clearer on the present state of things.
At this point, I just want whatever has to happen for BDW to clean house from Mo down to happen.
If that means another losing season then that’s what I ‘want’.
It’s been a slow, mainly steady decay since 2013 really and we all know what and who the issue is.
These last 2 seasons ( not assuming a miracle happens this year) are way worse than after the 2015 than currently. People were actually showing up and using tickets back then. Just wonder if you were in fire we all mode other than Matheny and Mabry back in 2015-16?
They aren’t getting rid of Bowtie and the owners aren’t selling. I do think we have a successor in place for Bowtie when he decides to step down in 2-3 years.
At the end of the day, the Cardinals are probably what we thought they were at the beginning of the season.
Most people thought the Cardinals would be around a .500 club, at best. That looks accurate.
The pitching additions made last offseason have largely worked as good or better than we thought. I would expect most of them back. Hard to pass up the options on Gibson & Lynn, when the real value would be in trading Matz & Mikolas. By value, I mean addition by subtraction and freeing up salary.
What nobody expected was the complete collapse of Goldy, Arenado, Gorman & Walker (at the same time).
Well stated. I agree with your summary.
bccran said:
So Brian, my hat’s off to you for continuing to be such a great inspired leader of TCN under the circumstances.
Thank you, bccran, but this year hasn’t been great for business. As you noted, the team is down and the system hasn’t progressed as hoped, either.
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I do think Goldschmidt will be resigned. First, because Derrick Gould reported that the Cardinals were interested in ‘gauging his interest in a new contract’, and secondly, because WDWJr appreciates loyalty from his players and is inclined to return loyalty, and thirdly, because Goldschmidt is still one of the best defensive first basemen in MLB. That said, players negotiating for their last contract almost always go for the most money they can get since it’s their last chance at those big MLB dollars.
Gollee, them are some real flowery words…
“The #Cardinals have arrived at their event horizon.
“The gravitational pull from a undermanned roster, wilted offense, zapped pitching and some struggling stars has brought them to this brink with 41 games remaining and the light of contention dimming.” https://t.co/ifbCUrKGgt
— Derrick Goold (@dgoold) August 16, 2024
Fangraphs valued Goldy’s 2023 season as 26.8mil. They currently value him at 2.3mil, w/40-ish games to go. Less important is how they set their values. That drop off of Goldys value is significant.
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Done when I get home from work.
The writing was on the wall for Matheny.
I was not a fan of the Schildt hire (from within).
I was not down on Mo too much back then.
I was not a fan of the Marmol hire.
Now, with hindsight and almost a decade since the Cardinals were really good it has become increasingly apparent who the problem is.
The Cardinals’ entire organization had rotted from within and the foundations have cracked and are unstable.
We need a qualified ‘baseball’ geotech to tell us if we can underpin the foundation and save the structure or if this is a tear it down and start over scenario.
The passive aggressive smug arrogance from Mo and Marmol has grown tiresome and infuriating.
I’m sure there are some great baseball people employed but in this case the baby may have to be thrown out with the bathwater.
Muds, I agree Goldy will be back, unless he has a different agenda.
Bill chose against a spring extension, which fits the Bill is broke PR. 2/40mil was likely a ballpark offer.
Goldy craters his FA value this season, and Bill knows he can top his FA market value, at a huge discount from his spring value, and retain his face of franchise.
The storyline has worked out good for Bill.
Gollee, them are some real flowery words…
Goold has always fashioned himself a wordsmith/poet. It seems to help him win awards but makes him a lousy/lazy reporter IMO.
I agree Goldy will be back
I feel like I am backed into the corner of having to agree with that. Meaning if he is not resigned, then 1B becomes a hole to be filled, and I am not liking what there is to fill it.
I’m not interested in an all or nothing guy hitting .230 in AAA and I’m not interested in a platoon. what else we got?
Well i would rather have an all or nothing guy than a nothing guy which is what goldy is now. If we arent going to give baker a full shot, find a deal that gets him somewhere he gets a fair chance.
I find ot interesting.Back in the day the cardinals had a mostly all or nothing guy, jack clark. It worked out pretty good. His defense hurt us at times but his homeruns did the exact opposite sometimes. If baker was on the mlb team his thirty homers probably would have given us several more victories. As a general baseball fan i prefer more rounded players but on this version of the cardinals we just need someone that can create runs.
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