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November 6, 2023 at 1:15 am #236826
Who do you folks think should be the “big ace” signing? I’m leaning Nola at this point….
Alcantara is getting expensive as a trade target?
November 6, 2023 at 7:44 am #236830No gold gloves. Quite a reversal.
November 6, 2023 at 8:01 am #236831Tommy Edman deserved one.
November 6, 2023 at 11:45 am #23684114NyquisT
ParticipantRiley O’Brien? Mo is off and running.
November 6, 2023 at 11:58 am #23684214NyquisT
ParticipantO’Brien was far and away the Tacoma AAA best reliever. *th rd draft pick in ’17. 2.1 innings of MLB experience. RH 6’4″ 28 y.o. Middle name is Chun-Young….. assigned to Memphis and wear #84.
November 6, 2023 at 11:59 am #236843Impending MiLB FA so presumably will get a 40 man slot.
November 6, 2023 at 12:34 pm #23684614NyquisT
ParticipantI would have said Craig Counsell but he just signed on with the Cubs.
November 7, 2023 at 8:43 am #236916So to sum up the last 24 hours:
The Cardinals are already backpedaling on their spending and pitching additions while the Cubs just hired the best manager available. What a great start to the offseason. 🙁
November 7, 2023 at 9:44 am #236922
stlcard25ParticipantThat’s a bad summary, gscottar. But…it’s accurate.
November 10, 2023 at 7:02 pm #237112
jj-cf-stlParticipantWhat will BillyMo do…..
November 11, 2023 at 3:12 pm #2371371982 willie
ParticipantWell I would try to get the Japanese pitcher if I was being serious, Yamamoto, not sure the spelling. But the Cardinals aren’t going to spend the money to do that so I figure gray or nola. Personally I think their best years are probably behind them but cardinals like that kind of stuff. If they happen to have a couple good years, makes them look like geniuses.
November 11, 2023 at 3:29 pm #237138Rather than get into a bidding war going for a good starter in the $20-30 Million range, Mo might look to work a deal for a starter who already has such a contract in place, with a few years left, 2 or 3 maybe. The idea is that the value of the pitcher’s production is partially offset by the conract obligation that comes along with him. That reduces the value of the trade goods that Mo would part with. The trading partner would be an organization looking to reduce payroll, or get it under control, or redeploy payroll away from the rotation to meet other needs. Maybe somebody with luxury tax issues.
November 11, 2023 at 4:19 pm #2371411982 willie
ParticipantGray would be a solid take though glasnow might be better depending on the deal. The only guy I see on top list i would stay away from for sure is snell. Just don’t trust him staying on the field. If they don’t get st least one of the top ten guys, I believe it’s just another down year. It might actually take 2 top tier pitchers but I doubt we are that serious.
November 11, 2023 at 8:36 pm #237147bccran
ParticipantHope we don’t give up a high draft pick.
November 11, 2023 at 9:13 pm #2371481982 willie
ParticipantGiving up a high draft pick would depend on whose available in the draft and who we using that pick to get. Do we want to try to win now or just do what we did last season. We will see.
November 12, 2023 at 6:23 am #237150Do we want to try to win now or just do what we did last season.
What Mo has been saying suggests neither win now nor last place. What BillMo wants is to resume being good enough to compete for a berth in post season. BillMo just saw an 84 win team in the WS with a payroll of $125 Million. I don’t think he cares that a team with double that won it.
November 12, 2023 at 10:00 am #237158The expanded playoff system has really changed roster construction, especially the pitching staff.
Why spend the money on 4-5 great to good pitchers when you only need 2 once you get in the tournament? Why worry about winning 100 games when winning 85 will get you ‘in’?
I guess that strategy will work as long as one of your stud pitchers doesn’t come up lame and some of the money saved on pitching goes into the line up so you can win your share of the 9-8 games…
November 12, 2023 at 10:43 am #237159Last spring I had argued that it made more sense to wait until the deadline to acquire pitchers who are healthy then, rather than load up on them over the winter and hope they stay healthy all year. I still think there is merit in that tactic, but you have to not be in last place at the deadline.
November 12, 2023 at 11:25 am #237161That is true bling. Those games the first four months of the season still count in the standings.
November 12, 2023 at 11:41 am #237162Those games the first four months of the season still count in the standings.
It is why I hate the “its a marathon” thing. I have never heard a first place team saying that, only losers. Winners know its 162 sprints in a row and they play like they know it.
November 13, 2023 at 8:38 am #23718185-87 wins will usually get you into the tournament. After that you need 2 really good starters, a lights out bullpen, and for your offense to get hot. You can have the ’27 Yankees lineup but if they are having an off week you are done.
The long haul of a 162 game regular season is irrelevant and remains in place only because of $$$.
It has no bearing on the crap shoot, short playoff series.
November 14, 2023 at 9:57 pm #2372641982 willie
ParticipantI think having a winning team that wins it’s division says more about your organization than playing ok and maybe being a wildcard team. But I’m old school.
November 15, 2023 at 7:41 am #237271bccran
ParticipantLooking forward to an OF of Walker, Scott, Carlson, Nootbaar, and Gorman.
November 15, 2023 at 10:00 am #237279
jj-cf-stlParticipantBC,
With that OF five, I’d expect the infield D to be as good as any in mlb. Maybe the best.Your alignment of Gorman, Noot and Edman is intriguing. They all three start, it’s just where, right? Gorman at a corner OF forces Noot to CF, and Edman to 2B.
Scott gets here when he can, with Carlson as backup CF depth today. The OF D with Walker / Gorman as corners, Noot in CF, might be average-ish.
Worst case: Noot goes IL and Carlson underachieves. Not to boo-bird the idea, because it’s thought provoking if you have Edman in CF as I do, but that this alignment will require everyday CF depth, to keep Edman at 2B. Otherwise, Oli plugs Edman in CF and Donovan to 2B.
November 15, 2023 at 10:26 am #237284bccran
ParticipantCarlson or Noot can cover CF until Scott arrives. Walker and Gorman are your prototypical corner outfielders.
And you’re right, you have one of the best defensive IFs in MLB. -
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