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Mr Shady:
1. None of us are hyper-sensitive.
2. None of us are anti-Burleson. We all hope he becomes half the player you think he is.
3. Burleson IS one of the Cardinal’s better hitters. However, the Cards suck at hitting. He’s an incredibly mediocre MLB hitter!
4. IF the Cards can ever return to their previous glory, it won’t be with Burleson as a key component. He’s a 25th guy, spot starter, on a good team. Period and end of conversation!I’m done with any more Burleson talk. He’s improved exponentially and I wil follow his career with interest. Thanks to Brian for not letting our resident pest completely spam the board.
AdM, you’ve bashed Burleson like this a bunch. “He’s an incredibly mediocre MLB hitter!”. The Cardinals and myself disagree. To each their own. Is the farm still available? lol
KCB. that’s lame, please relax. Burleson is a future star whether you want me to discuss my support for him or not. I like the way the organization has produced really solid offensive players like Donovan, Gorman, Winn, and Burleson. Now they need to develop some starting pitching like that.
AdM, “Period and end of conversation!” Glad you are giving it up. But that’s doubtful.I stuck my neck out supporting Burleson through his development. You have often dissed Burleson and me in the process. Please enjoy what I’ve been telling you for years about what to expect. Some can project talent. Some can’t.
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Well Mr Shady, enjoy Burleson in the All Star game and I’m guessing a top 10 in MVP voting!I root for Burleson during every at bat. Bottom line is he’s sitting at a .744 OPS. Improved for sure, but incredibly mediocre!
But again, let me know when this superstar actually makes an All Star team or finishes in the top 10 in the MVP voting.
I’d like to know if Shady thinks Burleson has the potential to carry this team on his back and save us if he were to go on a scorching rampage for a couple of months? Hey, no one ever heard of Albert Pujols until spring of ’01…
Jim Bowden still thinks the Cards should be selling, but says they are going after a SP and mentions these possibilities. Hardly a ticket to the World Series… but acquiring an injured guy means he’ll be cheap…
SP: Erick Fedde, Trevor Williams (IL), Paul Blackburn (IL), Tyler Anderson
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5559432/2024/06/13/mlb-trade-deadline-team-targets-needs/
Fedde is intriguing, to me. I would like to see him come to the Cardinals if they could acquire him without giving up very much.
Jim Bowden still thinks the Cards should be selling, but says they are going after a SP
Last week, Mozeliak said they are looking at an SP5, reliever and right-handed CF.
I agree with Bowden, the Cardinals should be selling this year, not buying.
Any org that targets a SP5 at the deadline, a year after the last selloff for these “future pieces”, is chasing it’s own tail in futility.
Just step down Mo.
A year on from bolstering pitching in the upper system with outside help, and another year’s development of in house pitching, and yet the system cannot produce a #5 starter.
I don’t think either Graceffo or Robberse is far off. But the team probably prefers a vet.
Still, I agree with JJ. The team should never ever be shopping for a number 5 starter at the deadline. That really doesn’t make sense as any kind of strategy.
One thing that I am really curious of in the Cubs series is how well or poorly Pallante pitches. He keeps changing up his pitch mix so he’s been a different pitcher in each of his 3 outings.
If Mo were to sell again, what should he try to obtain? Keeping in mind there is not much value in what he has to trade away. Another high ceiling guy with a torn up arm, like Roby? Another slow mover who ran off the end of the runway like Kloffenstein and Robberse? Happy to snag a 40 man slot in a threadbare system. Or should he go some other way?
My thinking is that trading is not going to produce any significant results. The few pieces worth anything are untouchables, the future core. There is no excess quality from which to trade. He might land a reliever who can help some. Or a fringy position player. Nothing that will ultimately matter.
I tend to agree Bling. The only thing that we really desire is a cost controlled young pitcher with some MLB experience and we’re not trading for that at the deadline – certainly not with what we have.
Sure, a bullpen piece can always be useful, but we really don’t need it. If they are unsure about Tommy Edman’s wrist limiting his ability to hit, then a CF or at least an outfielder who can play CF and who can hit may be considered, but we’d have to be willing to part with a young arm for that – maybe someone like Bedell who has promise.
Even though I think this team absolutely can make the playoffs, I think the better choice may be a soft sell. Trading Helsley at peak value for young talent is probably a good move. Maybe Kittredge too given this is the last year of his contract and he now has some value. I don’t know what to go after in a trade but there are plenty of possibilities. Bling, I do disagree with calling Robberse a slow mover. He was in AAA by age 21 or 22. That’s super young. Even Kloffenstein is young for the level. Saggese too is extremely young. I think Walker is the only one younger than him at Memphis (maybe Robberse).
My guess is that the Cardinals do a soft buy. A few cheap acquisitions like Quintana and Pham/Pillar that might help them get up to 82 wins and snag the 6th playoff spot. Those kind of players wouldn’t require us to give up much and the front office could then brag about making the playoffs but we would get knocked out immediately by one of the better NL teams, thus it wouldn’t really change our long term trajectory. The Cardinals seem to feel fine treading water.
I meant slow mover in the sense of approaching Rule 5 eligibility still in AA and unlikely to get a 40 man slot with their organization.
Be bold buyers, or bold sellers, take your pick. Have a direction and make bold impactful roster transactions.
This reliever, SP5, outfielder speak from Mo sounds like more low hanging fruit.
Just step down Mo. You now fit the low hanging fruit profile, and I’d like to move on from your mediocracy.
bling said:
Another slow mover who ran off the end of the runway like Kloffenstein and Robberse?
When acquired, Robberse was all of 21 years of age. Kloff was an aged 22.
At what age do you expect pitchers to first reach MLB?
When acquired, Robberse was all of 21 years of age. Kloff was an aged 22.
At what age do you expect pitchers to first reach MLB?I meant slow mover in the sense of approaching Rule 5 eligibility still in AA and unlikely to get a 40 man slot with their organization.
Every year we discuss the players the Cardinals have who will be eligible to be taken in the upcoming Rule 5. With a lot of debate about who will get protected. Brian always predicts that very few will be protected. Occasionally one will get traded like those two did. We certainly aren’t writing any of them into the future ML roster just like Toronto wasn’t with Robberse and Kloffenstein.
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