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So, Cleveland needs a catcher now after trading away Yan Gomez. They also need outfielders. And they want to trade their starting pitchers for what they need.
Maybe a Corey Kluber for Luke Weaver + John Gant + Carson Kelly + Jose Adolis Garcia?
Clear a few 40 man spaces then start signing LH relievers…
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So, Cleveland needs a catcher now after trading away Yan Gomez. They also need outfielders. And they want to trade their starting pitchers for what they need.Maybe a Corey Kluber for Luke Weaver + John Gant + Carson Kelly + Jose Adolis Garcia?
Clear a few 40 man spaces then start signing LH relievers…
Sign me up for that! I like it!
I would hate to see the Dodgers if they got Kluber
Now, this really irks me too
Keuchel rejected a qualifying offer from the Astros in favor of reaching the open market, but because the Braves received revenue sharing and didn’t exceed the competitive balance tax in 2018, they’d only lose their third-highest draft pick in signing him.
Atlanta is the 8th largest MSA and 8th largest television market.
Not to mention, they are owned by Liberty Media.
Geesh. Heads need to roll in MLB’s corporate office.
When this list originally came out, it had Colome on it.
As you can see, the list is quite dynamic.
Who else will the Mariners trade?I’m sorry, but at some point owners have to be responsible for themselves. Most of them are billionaires or in ownership groups that account for billions.
I can understand Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Minnesota.
I can’t understand Tampa, Miami, Oakland, Atlanta, Houston, etc. These owners just game the system to receive welfare. There would actually be more money for all of baseball if these teams tried to build winners rather than accept welfare handouts.
If the Cards would sign MIller, trade for LHR-Rogers, or sign KImbrel. Any of these moves may allow the bullpen to shape up as such:
6th inning choices- Helsley/Hudson/Ponce
7th/8th- Rogers or MIller/Helsley/Hudson/Hicks/Reyes/Waino/Elledge/Cabrera
9th- Kimbrel or TBD
I am thinking they will have Reyes to begin the season in the bullpen. As always, injuries can change this thinking, but overall this version of the bullpen should be very formidable.
Rogers or Miller might be possibilities but Kimbrel is asking for a six year deal. I don’t see us doing that at all, nor should we.
I think we all agree that cmart is not an ace. He’s a very good number 2 but not an ace. If bumgarner is truly available then I think the cardinals should be in on him. A 1-2 punch of Bumgarner and Cmart would be tough to beat. Follow that by signing Mustakas and some bullpen help. No that doesn’t get us the starpower in the lineup but I think that makes us a better more balanced team with gyorko going back to being a super sub.
I think we all agree that cmart is not an ace. He’s a very good number 2 but not an ace.
Is he one of the top 30 starting pitchers in the game? If you use that definition of an ace, then he probably qualifies. If you think aces are only one of the top few, then he doesn’t.
Personally, I think it’s the former. He’s not Sherzer but then again, Sherzer really came on about Cmart’s age.
Also, I liked the idea of Bumgarner befoee the off-season.
So, here is one reporter speculating the Cardinals line up in a Seager/Fowler swap
I saw that, but the CBS guy was just regurgitating Buster Olney’s ESPN article ($), which is where the primary reporting occurred. Olney did not mention St. Louis or Fowler.
I will bet you a dollar to a doughnut that Twitter will be calling this a “rumor” no later than tomorrow morning.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/25431534/mlb-gm-dipoto-left-do-mariners-rebuild
Never mind. CBS already called it a rumor themselves. These made up rumors drive me nuts!
MLB rumors: Mariners could move Kyle Seager using similar framework to Cano-Diaz trade https://t.co/RkK9j09bon via @CBSSports
— CBS Sports MLB (@CBSSportsMLB) December 2, 2018
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I can’t understand Tampa, Miami, Oakland, Atlanta, Houston, etc. These owners just game the system to receive welfare. There would actually be more money for all of baseball if these teams tried to build winners rather than accept welfare handouts.
Why did you include Tampa with the others? Miami (6.1M), Atlanta (5.9M), and Houston (6.9M) make sense, but Tampa (3.1M) is right there with St. Louis (2.8M), Baltimore (2.8M), and Denver (2.9M).
Oakland, obviously, is at a disadvantage too since the San Francisco area has 2 teams and only has 4.7M people and the majority of them are Giants’ fans. The other 3 two-team metro areas are NYC (20.3M), LA (13.4M), and Chicago (9.5M); twice as many people to pull from.
The smallest metro is Milwaukee at 1.6M, 39th in the country with Cleveland, Kansas City, Cincinnati, and Pittsburgh all around 2.0M. Toronto (5.9M), Montreal (4.1M), and Vancouver (2.5M) are bigger than Milwaukee as well.
Why did you include Tampa with the others?
1. Is Tampa bigger than St. Louis? Also, you have to look at the TV market size as well (where they are much bigger than STL)…
2. Because Tampa is one of those teams that claims they can’t afford good players every year and trades away anybody making a decent salary, claiming poverty while receiving $40+ million per year in competitive revenue sharing. They should be weened off the welfare just like Oakland should.Oakland, obviously, is at a disadvantage too since the San Francisco area has 2 teams and only has 4.7M people and the majority of them are Giants’ fans.
1. Oakland invented this philosophy of welfare for baseball teams with their Moneyball philosophy
2. When I was growing up, it was the A’s, not the Giants that were relevant
3. The Bay area had no problem supporting the Raiders or the Warriors when they were putting winning teams on the field/court
4. The Bay area is perhaps the wealthiest in the country, and it’s just as easy if not easier for people in Silicon Valley to get to Oakland than it is to get to San Francisco
5. The Chicago White Sox are much more disadvantaged in Chicago than than the Oakland A’s are in the Bay area in terms of allegiances, area around the ballpark, etcToronto (5.9M), Montreal (4.1M), and Vancouver (2.5M) are bigger than Milwaukee as well.
1. Not sure of the relevance of Montreal or Vancouver, as they don’t have baseball teams
2. Does Toronto receive revenue sharing? That would be absurd as well.Look at 1990 – they drew 2.9 million fans during a period of winning.
Then, they adopted “Moneyball.” Why? Because it’s much easier to accept welfare than build a winning team.
I have tried for three days to post my ideas on revenue sharing in this thread but was denied each time. It was only about three paragraphs. I even tried to start a new thread but that was denied also. I guess the baseball gods don’t want me to.
I dont think you can blame Oakland’s lack of fan support on losing. They were in the playoffs 3 straight years from 2012-2014 and attendence never was higher than 2 million. If you want to say “moneyball” doesn’t produce marketable stars than it might be fair to blame moneyball. If you want to blame moneyball for not producing winning teams (and thus fans) than I think there is a strong argument that you are wrong.
Shouldn’t have Mo been in conversations with Dipoto? Colome was traded for not all that much. A 26 year old catcher. He sure would have been a good acquisition. Now unless wee are talking to Strickland, or Parkers agent, otherwise sitting on our hands waiting for more low hanging fruit doesn’t seem like a good idea.
They were in the playoffs 3 straight years from 2012-2014 and attendence never was higher than 2 million.
Actually, there attendance increased EACH of those years, and totaled 2,003,628 in 2014. How is that not above 2 million?
If you want to blame moneyball for not producing winning teams (and thus fans) than I think there is a strong argument that you are wrong.
You were just proven wrong by being too lazy to actually follow a link.
Look at what happened to Cubs attendance when they were tanking. Look at the correlation between winning and fan attendance for Oakland and Kansas City.
Teams win, more fans go to the ballpark.
I’m going to try to post my revenue sharing thoughts a couple of sentences at a time since this site won’t let me post it all at once:
This whole idea of revenue sharing is an interesting one but is probably not understood well by most, myself included. I highly doubt the formula is as simple as population size.
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