July 8, 2017 at 3:13 pm #27036
I count about six teams in all of baseball that have the financial capacity to trade for Stanton right now, and one of them is the Phillies, who are in the same division as the Marlins, and want Yelich as part of the package. So, you know just about any deal is preferable to trading Yelich and Stanton to the Phillies.
So, here is the breakdown:
Boston is trying to stay under the luxury tax this year and Yankees want to be under next year, so they are out. Tampa would never be able to acquire. Baltimore and Toronto are at record payrolls and have expensive right fielders already.
Nobody from the AL East will take Stanton this year.
Detroit is trying to get under the luxury tax ASAP. White Sox are in sell-off mode.
KC and Cleveland are at record payrolls and can’t acquire Stanton’s deal long term.
Minnesota has the payroll capacity now, but not long term, and they have a youth movement going on.
Nobody from the AL Central will take Stanton.
Houston has a great lead in the West, they have payroll capacity, and Reddick is on a short term deal. They could acquire Stanton is the price was right. But they have a deep and loaded farm system.
A’s can never acquire that type of contract.
Rangers Payroll is $190 million. They can’t acquire him. Angels are maxed out in spending as well.
Seattle probably has the payroll capacity. They have nothing to offer back. Maybe in a pure salary dump.
So, the Astros and Mariners are possibilities, each are unlikely for different reasons.
This is trading within the division, so is the least preferable trade route.
Phillies have the prospects, big market revenue, and a minimal payroll. They could acquire Stanton without much problem. But, they are going to be predatory, and you are setting yourself up to have your division rival beat you on a continual basis.
Nationals and Mets don’t have payroll capacity.
Atlanta does, but they have a very expensive Matt Kemp in right.
Only the Phillies can acquire Stanton and Yelich, but you are playing with fire dealing to divisional rivals.
Cardinals have the capacity.
Cubs were at payroll max last year and are close this year. They will be shedding up to $60 million this offseason, but they are likely to reinvest that in starting pitching.
Brewers and Reds have payroll capacity now, not long term. Pirates never have that capacity.
In the Central, the Cardinals and Cubs are the only ones that can afford Stanton. Cubs are unlikely due to their budget and need to invest in starting pitching. That leaves the Cardinals.
Dodgers are trying to get under the luxury tax next year.
Giants are at about $190 million and trying to stay under the luxury tax.
Rockies are at a record payroll and have a ton of outfielders already. Diamondbacks are payroll maxed out.
Padres have a low payroll and can afford Stanton’s contract. They also have prospects to send back.
So, that is your market for Stanton:
– Maybe Houston
– Maybe Seattle
– The Phillies (who are in the same division)
– The Cardinals
– Maybe the Cubs
– Maybe San Diego
I think if you are talking to the Marlins about a salary dump of Stanton, you can basically offer whatever package you want.July 8, 2017 at 3:26 pm #27037gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
The Angels could afford Stanton since Josh Hamilton is coming off their books after this year but I don’t know if they have the prospects to make it happen. Having Stanton and Trout in the same lineup would be tempting but they probably will invest in pitching instead. I say probably because you never know when Arte Moreno will get a wild hair.July 8, 2017 at 9:46 pm #27062LoganAlpha30X7ParticipantFree
My question would become would you want Trout or Stanton more, which one would fit more into the Cardinals as you see them, both on the field and in the general organization, not bashing either guy or anything just wondering…I think that Trout would be harder to trade for and we’d have to extend his contract if we did trade for him, Stanton is already locked in for like a decade or something at a lot of money…July 10, 2017 at 10:06 am #27184gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
The difference is the Angels are not in sell mode and the Marlins are.
Stanton is locked in for three more years then he has an opt out.July 10, 2017 at 1:42 pm #27212PadsFSParticipantFree
Great breakdown, but I think you greatly underestimate the Dodgers and Rangers. The Dodgers and Angels are his hometown teams so he may only waive the no-trade clause for them. Both the Dodgers and Rangers have prospects and aren’t afraid of the luxury tax ramifications. Also, Stanton only makes $14.5M this year and $25M next year. Plenty of time for teams to get under the cap when his pay gets exorbitant, especially at just $5-6M extra this year.July 11, 2017 at 7:34 am #27275bccranParticipantFree
Are there any realistic trade ideas?July 11, 2017 at 11:21 am #27298
Realistically? or just pessimistic?
Oh to Nationals for a decent but not top prospect
Lynn to the Yankees for a good but far away prospect
maybe Gyorko to the Sox or Yankees for a good closer prospect
Quintana for Kelly and more then we want to give for him
Donaldson for way more than anyone wants to give up
probably Neshek for more a good prospect…and will get lambasted as it is a rental on NEshek and this young pitcher (probably) is gonna be awesome
Realtix trades are hard to imagine…IMO you start out optimistic…then lower the value of your players…raise the perceived value of the opposite teams players….then add in more pessimism on fairness by upping the offer to see more unfair and that usually feels right..July 13, 2017 at 10:36 am #27458
Quintana to the Cubs. Cross him out of any further “spitballing”.July 13, 2017 at 11:02 am #27459
Quintana to the Cubs for their top 2 prospects… plus a couple more lower profile prospects…
Cubs just did what they needed to shore up their problems spot, and help mitigate probably moving on from Arrieta…they gave up a lot but got a good controllable arm that will still allow them to go after another big fish in FA if they want
smart? I dunno…Eloy looks the part, and their farm looks pretty depleted now…
So from the Cardinals looking at value…we would probably had to offer Kelly + Bader/Sierra + Flaherty or Weaver…or probably Kelly + Reyes
Another good get for the white Sox…so recently picking up:
add to Collins Burdi Adams Basabe
Future WHITE SOX
Lineup: Eloy, Robert, Abreu, Moacada, Anderson, Collins(DH), Basabe, catcher?, 2b?
Rotation: Rodon, Kopech, Fulmer, Lopez, Giolito
Pretty impressive collection…and i am sure i am leaving out plenty
Cub flinched first within the division for going after winning the division by finding outside help…who will move next? Brewers (pitching), Cardinals (power), Bucs and Reds (pitching)July 16, 2017 at 9:48 am #27709nbr1hawkeyeParticipantFree
The cubs might go to the postseason and we may not. But we have an apportunity to do something that would raise a few eyebrows and remind some people of the trade that brought Lou Brock to St. Louis.
What am I talking about?
Gleyber Torres was a top prospect in the Cubs organization. He is now the top rated prospect in the Yankee organization.
Now I hate the Yankees more than any other baseball team, but they are buyers, and the best kind of buyers at that. They have money and they want to win.
So… heres the pitch (pun intended). The Yanks need a first baseman and they could use a starter and a reliever. We send Carpenter (or Voit), Rosey (or Oh), and Lance Lynn for Gleyber Torres. If one of those combinations isn’t enough, add Delvin Perez and add or subtract from there to get it done.July 18, 2017 at 8:02 pm #27937DangerZoneParticipantFree
Seems like Yanks are about to get Frazier, Kahnle, and Robertson. So that would eliminate them as trade partners.July 19, 2017 at 9:04 am #27965
Had to give up some good players to get them but the Yanks made out pretty well…seeing as the Nationals seemed to have a better offer for Robertson alone in the offseason
Nationals got MAdson and Dolittle for almost nothign too… swing and miss by us there IMO…we could use one more solid backend piece either would have been perfect
I dunno…i am feeling with being only 4 back…we are going to make a move…Stanton or Donaldson..something big and helpful long term…
Maybe a Stanton + Ramos deal
combine that with trading Lynn and Wong to the Royals maybe? (if we decide to buy and sell)July 19, 2017 at 11:34 am #27991
With Cameron Maybin going down, the Cardinals should trade Grichuk back to the Angels for David Fletcher and a pitching prospect.
We’re going to have to trade Grichuk in the offseason anyway, may as well get something useful for him (yes, I know the Angels have the worst farm system, but where are we going to really trade Grichuk and get anything of value?)July 20, 2017 at 6:49 am #28044stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
With the Orioles going into sell mode, is there any interest in trying to grab one of their players in a trade? Certainly we could use the relief help, and Britton is the big fish…he may cost a lot but one of the setup guys may come cheaper and be a nice upgrade.
On the position side, the really big fish is Machado and despite his down season, he would still cost a mint. The plus side is he would be available for 2018 as well. In some ways he would be an even bigger upgrade than Donaldson as he could play SS. Probably would cost us at least 2, maybe 3 of Reyes, Kelly, Perez, Flaherty and a filler prospect or two. Would you do it??July 20, 2017 at 7:20 am #28046July 20, 2017 at 10:02 am #28062
Three Marlins and Machado…July 20, 2017 at 10:42 am #28067
Don’t trade Lynn unless we get a big return for him.July 20, 2017 at 2:30 pm #28105Euro DandyParticipantFree
It’s been six weeks since Mozeliak’s “four to six weeks” press conference. He included himself in that notice on performance expectations. Now that the Cards’ play has reached a low point of embarrassment with Rosenthal’s debacle today, what of significance has been done other than the Mozeliak/Girsch promotion?July 20, 2017 at 2:41 pm #28107
If you get promoted by doing as close to nothing as possible the last two offseasons, you are going to continue doing as close to nothing as possibleJuly 20, 2017 at 3:57 pm #28111
Lynn is a free agent. Trade him. Trade Carpenter, Rosenthal , and Oh. Carpenter can bring a nice return doubt the other two will bring much.July 20, 2017 at 7:02 pm #28120July 21, 2017 at 8:50 am #28163July 21, 2017 at 10:54 am #28197
IF we are going to make a move i think we need to do it now…whether that is buying or selling or both…but as the deadline closes the chances get slimmer
Donaldson deal plus a Neshek deal
Stanton plus Ramos deal
or Ozuna or Yelich deal plus Neshek or Ramos or Hand deal (though i think the price for Hand is too high but he does have a lot of control)
we have already lost out on Madson, Dolittle, Robertson, CLippard, and Phelps as possible RP upgradesJuly 21, 2017 at 11:22 am #28206
Clippard??? a loss?? you’re kidding right?July 21, 2017 at 11:47 am #28211
28 teams lose out on every trade.
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