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i have brought up Lowe several times, i think he is a good target…BTUi think it was better during the year and before TB sent Cron packing
i think a JMart to TB makes a lot of sense, but i think they would see it as a bridge to Lowe
How about instead of Joe McCarthy we aim for Nathaniel Lowe?
The advantage of McCarthy is that he plays corner outfield as well as 1B, instead of just 1B…
But Carpenter only has 1 year left on his contract with an option for 2020. The same applies for Gyorko which would allow Carpenter to move to 3B for 1 year, if it is needed.
Why would they want to give up Lowe or McCarthy though? Don’t they want cheap and controllable. They threw away Cron who was pretty good last year and doesn’t even make much.
I think JMart makes more sense to a team needing a Dh and wanting to contend rather than rebuild while not paying a lot. Seattle Oakland Astro’s maybe Cleveland maybe (someone has to win the AL Central)
JMart makes $500k. Cron was making $5 million.
It’s Tampa. It’s all about going with the lowest payroll possible.
A’s have Khris Davis as DH and Indians have Edwin Encarnacion. Neither team will be in the market for JMart.
Nelson Cruz will likely be the DH in Houston.
That basically leaves trading JMart to Seattle or Tampa, or not trading him at all.
There’s a chance KC would want him back, there you are basically trading for Daniel Lynch or Kris Bubic
JMart may only make 500k-ish, but they could call up Mcarthy or Lowe right now, Lowe is ready and McArthy didnt look bad either
They have more control and are actually cheaper than JMart…and way more upside and younger…Jmart may be “better” right now…but why risk losing higher ceiling guys in the AL East (or AL) where they have to get past Boston and NYY for the division and one of them is a Wild Card spot
TB at it’s best has a shot at the 2nd wild card…and they arent putting that team together, they finished strong last year, but they still were pretty far off and lost or moved on from several pieces already
Khris Davis is no lock for Oakland long term, he is arb eligible this year for the last time and a FA next year, they very well could flip him now…
the DH market isnt pretty for moving JMart..but he does have value on the bench for us, it’s a bit crowded with Fowler there too, but it could work
Cruz
JMart
Gattis
Alvarez
Khristhose guys are the moving parts as i see them
OAK
SEA
HOU
TB
KC
MIN (Cron can play 1b)
CWS (Palka can and does play OF)
TEX (not sure of the state of their rebuild and who could leave, Gallo also can play other places)I could see something like this: just off the top of my head
-Stros trade for Khris Davis, they get their impact bat like JD in BOS
-OAK trades for JMart to stay cheap
-SEA re-signs Cruz..short deal
-TB goes internal or signs a cheap vet like Pedro Alvarez that they might be able to flip later
-KC stays internal going as cheap as possible
-MIN signs Gattis
-CWS stays internal or goes after a 1bman type and shifts Abreu to DH more to keep him healthy to trade for the biggest return at the deadline
-TEX stays internalthough i could see a scenario where SEA looks elsewhere or a trade for JMArt and MIN goes with Cruz…Gattis then finding a home in CWS perhaps
lots of options
(btw you are right about Cleveland, i always forget Alonso went there, my bad)
I agree Minnesota could still be looking for an inexpensive DH.
White Sox, I think it will depend on whether they can get any free agents to go there and start making a push for the playoffs. Right now, they are too far away.
I also consider Texas too far away from competing.
Everybody in Seattle seems to be saying that they’ve moved on from Cruz. Houston, MN and TB seem the most viable options for Cruz right now.
saw SF listening on Bumgarner…
want a top pitching prospect back and another part
he makes very little money, is a dominant lefty,…only has one year left of contract BUT you could have a chance at extending him or get the compensation
Maybe we could go a little bigger? Leverage our high rate of success from our pitching prospects to get a bit more
Bumgarner + Will Smith + Watson
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Reyes + Gomber + Gyorko + AdGarcia/Lane Thomas + PoncedeleonThey seem to need rotational help, and some outfield depth, Gyorko slides wherever they need maybe allowing Longo to 1b and POsey to catcher, but they can all move around to not wear out POsey behind the plate
If they don’t like Reyes or others…we can include Wacha or Weaver or Helsley or Hicks or Hudson or Woodford or whomever they like, no Jack or Mik or CMArt but everyone else is on the table
Bumgarner Smith and Watson solve all out pitching concerns
– lefty in the rotation and ACE
– Smith can close and is a lefty killer
– Watson is great against lefties and in generalwe lose parts that are useful but not irreplaceable, not that their value is in their quantity but more we just have lots of good pitching talent
Our pitch is on the track record of our successes in starting pitching coming up and contributing at a high level…same even goes for the usefulness of Gyorko and ability of our young OFers we can offer…we produce useful utility guys as well as young speedy OFers
If that was so why are they subtracting from their team useful parts like Cron who makes very little?
If they were really going to push for it you think they’d keep what they know has worked.
Also, being in a division last year with Baltimore inflates your win numbers. Not to mention the AL in general.
They tried a wacky pitching strategy based on injuries, got really good play from Romo at the back (and front sometimes) end, that worked.
Their young kids were the ones that stepped up their games offensively….i dont see why they’d move on from Cron just to add JMart…when they have internal solutions that are younger and cheaper and from their farm
Id love Lowe…id go after him, McCarthy i like too, but id still target them, only id offer them young pitching
I think Lowe at 1b would be a great prospect, and would allow the team to feel pressured into re-signing Carp because they have limited options (not go big after aging Goldy or Abreu)
To me that is worth targeting Lowe with some good prospects
The Al Central is pretty much Cleveland with the Twins as an outside shot
AL West is Astros
AL East is BOston or NYY
WC 1 – is BOston or NYY
WC2 – at this point IMO is a fight between tiers…LAA, OAK and SEA…TB and MIN and maybe TOR
That’s a lot of teams for one bad wild card spot
playoff caliber last year with BAL around (who dont look like they are getting better) isn’t saying much, and for TB to get that second WC spot it woudl pretty much require TOR to be a dumpster fire like BAL just to get enough wins…getting the wins needed when the AL Central is poor and a halfway decent 2nd place AL team can take a bunch of wins there too…the AL West outside of HOU except TEX will beat up on each other too much because they are all pretty equally talented…
A good MIN team has an inside road IMO…or if OAK or SEA take a step back (SEA rebuilding?) and are bad enough to vault LAA in then that coudl happen…
a 3rd team from the AL East seems unlikely without an equally bad BAL and maybe equally bad TOR team…Im not sure BAL can be as bad as last year and Im not sure TOR can be as bad as BAL last year
Everything went right down the stretch for TB and they still couldnt get close with 90 wins…
BOS may come down to earth a little, but NYY is probably going up a bit…
TB makes sense to sell off or move on from what they can of veterans and go with all their youth…by the time the young pitchers recover and are effective combined with the young hitting talent maturing, they probably have a decent shot at a big run in 2-3yrs…
JMArt just doesnt make sense IMO for TB without other moves to add proven talent to the team…once Cron was released i just dont see it as likely
Tampa operates on a different model than almost anyone else. They could literally sell and buy at the exact same time and they make it work. They won 90 games last year and almost got into the playoffs while trading Archer during the season. You never know what they are going to do but I think JMart would fit there. He would be a fit for several AL teams.
If that was so why are they subtracting from their team useful parts like Cron who makes very little?
Tampa’s business model is to claim poverty, accept $40+ million in revenue sharing per year, and laugh all the way to the bank, just like Miami. The Cardinals, on the other hand, built a team that consistently won, and used that to build a fan base that ranks among the best in baseball. St. Louis is both a smaller metropolitan market and a smaller television market than Tampa (and other “small market” teams like Miami, Oakland, etc).
They are playing in a Stadium that was already built (i.e., they spent nothing to build), but they don’t make enough money, so they are demanding local taxpayers and businesses put up half the money for their new stadium.
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Tampa’s business model is to claim poverty, accept $40+ million in revenue sharing per year, and laugh all the way to the bank, just like Miami. The Cardinals, on the other hand, built a team that consistently won, and used that to build a fan base that ranks among the best in baseball. St. Louis is both a smaller metropolitan market and a smaller television market than Tampa (and other “small market” teams like Miami, Oakland, etc).
They are playing in a Stadium that was already built (i.e., they spent nothing to build), but they don’t make enough money, so they are demanding local taxpayers and businesses put up half the money for their new stadium.
Valid points but it should be pointed out that the Rays and A’s both play in outdated dumps. MLB has told both teams they will either build new stadiums or will be relocated. Of course how the money is raised to build the new stadiums and identifying a location are the sticking points.
I have often wondered how MLB determines market size. Is it based on population? Size of Fan base? I would assume it is some kind of complicated formula. The St. Louis metro area is not that large but the Cardinal fan base is huge because they have historically drawn from many surrounding states.
I know that in the past Theo Epstein has complained that the Cardinals are eligible for competitive balance picks.
The Rays got their stadium for FREE. It was built by Hillsborough county in an effort to lure a MLB team, which worked. Unfortunately, the owners keep looking a gift horse in the mouth.
Oakland and Tampa play in dumps in part because they CHOOSE to plead poverty to get $40+ million per year in free money (competitive balance). With competitive balance compensation, MLB TV revenues, merchandise licensing, etc, they get over $100 million per year, just because they are an MLB franchise. When was the last time they had a payroll above $100 million?
It’s too hard to build a winning team that draws fans, so plead poverty, trade away your good players as they are about to get expensive and laugh all the way to the bank. Welfare for billionaires.
In the last CBA, MLB voted to start taking away Oakland’s “small market” subsidy, an effort led by the San Francisco Giants, who consider it absurd that they are in the same market, but one team claims to be a “small market” while the other is a “big revenue” club.
It appears MLB uses team revenue for revenue sharing, because they don’t use any plausible definition of a market. Miami is the 7th largest MSA, Oakland the 12th, Tampa the 18th and St. Louis the 21st. By Television market, Oakland is in the 6th largest market, Tampa the 13th, Miami the 16th and St. Louis the 21st.
Yes, St. Louis draws from a wider fan base, but that’s because of where they put their minor league teams. By putting them within a few hundred miles, they ensure that people that watch the players in the minors come to see them in the majors.
I worked as a valet at the Marriott right next to Busch Stadium in college. Every home weekend, the hotel was filled with people from Arkansas, Memphis, Louisville, Peoria, Springfield and Southern Illinois. The Cardinals were smart where they put their minor league teams, and also helped by the distance to other major cities with ball clubs.
A lot of it has to with history. For many many years the Cardinals were the team furthest to the west and to the south so we got a lot of fans from many states. KMOX being so powerful helped too. Cardinal fandom was passed down from generation to generation and hopefully will continue to be.
The Ray’s and A’s have both submitted plans and architectural drawings for new stadiums so maybe they are going to spend some of that corporate welfare you are worked up about.
I agree that KMOX signal strength at night made a huge contribution to the growth of the Cardinal nation.
Yes, KMOX was a big factor.
Here are the renderings of the new Oakland A’s stadium. They want to finance it entirely themselves. I guess after amassing billions of dollars in corporate welfare, they can afford to…
The Jewel BoxBravo to the Giants for forcing them off welfare and making them actually market their team.
JMartinez for Taylor Rogers for openers.
Amen, C-27. A well above average DH who makes very little money, for an excellent non-closer bullpen arm who also makes no dough? That sounds just about right.
Rogers had struggled v. righties before last year, but in 2018 he allowed them just a .643 OPS. And lefty bats had 110 plate appearances, and zero extra base hits.
Here is why that trade doesn’t make sense from Minnesota’s perspective:
1. They made the playoffs two years ago, were expected to make the playoffs last year, and are reportedly trying to make the playoffs this year
2. They are allegedly going after free agents that they normally wouldn’t because they had $77 million in salaries come off the books this year
3. They can readily find DH type hitters on the cheap on the open market. CJ Cron was a waiver wire claim, and he gives them 30 HR’s per year.
4. They are in the AL Central. The only team in that division competing for the playoffs besides Minnesota is Cleveland. Cleveland is exploring trading some of their starting pitchers to maintain payroll.
5. If they make the playoffs, don’t you think they would want an exceptional reliever on their team?So, why would Minnesota make the trade of Rogers for JMart?
I would think it would be much more likely they would trade a prospect that hasn’t yet reached the majors.
Trade them Carlos Martinez and Jmart for a package including Rogers and Alex Kiriloff and maybe Nick Gordon. There’s your lefties, Minnesota gets an ace for about what they paid Lance Lynn last year, plus their 1b/DH.
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