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May 7, 2024 at 10:33 pm #251246
You can try to trade Arenado and Goldy, but I am not sure you will get much in return. Goldy is in the final year of his contract and appears to be overmatched. Arenado’s glove has looked good, he is getting on base, but his power performance has dropped off (granted I believe HRs in MLB are lower to this point when compared to last year). However, he is 33 and owed $64M over the next three seasons.
May 7, 2024 at 10:35 pm #251247I don’t care if they give them away. Clear the payroll.
May 7, 2024 at 10:50 pm #251248Those two guys have no trade clauses, are 10 year vets, and another team has to agree to pay their salary It’s not always easy to find a trade partner.
We are likely stuck with Mikolas, Matz, Goldschmidt, Arenado, and Contreras because of their contracts just like we were stuck with DeJong and Carpenter before.
As I said earlier, I don’t know what anyone can do to fix this mess. We have very little talent in the pipeline with mostly garbage at AAA. We are stuck with an aging starting rotation and a whole bunch of very average to below average young players.
Clearly scouting and development have failed. It’s not a 1 or even a 2 year fix and the fix can’t even begin until a new POBO is hired. Even once that happens that guy has to implement his vision and we all have to hope he’s good
The Cardinals are potentially poised to be average to bad for a very, very long time.
May 7, 2024 at 11:09 pm #251251My only comment is how do you not bat Goldy 9th? He’s proven over and over all season long that he deserves it. I’m sure he’s a great guy, but he’s no longer anything close to being a great player. And he most likely can now kiss any chance of sniffing Cooperstown goodbye. His dismal performance is tarnishing a once wonderful legacy.
May 8, 2024 at 12:42 am #251254You couldn’t get a rosin bag for Mikolas or Matz right now or probably at any point this season or next.
Contreras with a broken arm is not tradeable right now…he would have to waive his No trade
Arenado you have to hope he starts to hit for some power soon, he would have the highest value b/c he has a fairly reasonable contract if he is hitting…he would have to waive his no trade
Usually $$ gets no trades waived.
Goldschmidt it’s not looking good at all…thankfully they haven’t resigned him yet….he is a notorious slow starter but this looks to be a real problem.
They just have too many holes in their lineup to do anything…Gorman/Nootbar/Donovan have just been awful.
Team is a train wreck…would not shock me if they win less than 70 games this year
May 8, 2024 at 4:35 am #251255Regarding Goldy, I wonder if his problem is bat speed.
A year or two ago I heard a Tiger announcer talk about the great Miguel Cabrera. They said that he had reduced bat speed at the end of his career. To compensate, he started his swing earlier. They said this worked with fastballs, but not breaking stuff.Maybe we need a new hitting coach, and not just for Goldy
May 8, 2024 at 4:47 am #251256Clearly scouting and development have failed.
I will go ahead and point out that it is theoretically possible that one of either scouting or development has failed and that the other has not. Therefore it is not defensible to blame both or either.
May 8, 2024 at 5:04 am #251257As was the case last season, we are or will soon be at a point where it makes sense to put Baker at 1B every day and see if he can acclimate to ML pitching. Maybe there is an even better reason to do it this year, since we now have no power bat at all in the lineup.
May 8, 2024 at 5:14 am #251258Perhaps the most compelling issue right at this moment is that Herrera may not be able to control stolen bases enough to be the everyday guy behind the plate. That is sort of the elephant in the room, even after the org spent $85 million rather than put him back there. So now what?
May 8, 2024 at 5:34 am #251261Baker is currently hitting .218 for Memphis. So there’s that.
May 8, 2024 at 6:55 am #251270I’m not going to get upset. I saw this coming during the off-season. I made my views known than moved on with the business of being a Cardinals fan. Let’s just hope they finally concede to the fact the way they build their roster has failed.
May 8, 2024 at 7:20 am #251272They may make changes in coaching, management, personnel and philosophy but but there will never be a mea culpa press conference. Ever.
May 8, 2024 at 7:33 am #251274John Denton seems to put the blame for Contreras injury on the Cardinals:
To help Contreras get more low strikes for their pitchers, the Cardinals have positioned the veteran catcher closer to the plate than he’s been in years past.
May 8, 2024 at 11:19 am #251288“The more catchers are evaluated on framing, the closer they’re getting to the hitter in order to get that low pitch”
Marmol seems to put it on Contreras.
May 8, 2024 at 12:00 pm #251295Seems to be an industry wide issue.
To help catchers get more low strikes for pitchers, MLB teams have coaxed catchers into getting closer. That has led to far more catchers' interference calls, per MLB research.
2023: catchers interference called every 50.6 games
2024: catchers inference called every 32 games— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) May 8, 2024
May 8, 2024 at 11:35 pm #251352This video from Jomboy Media shows just how much Contreras had moved up in the box:
Willson Contreras completely changed how he sets up his glove when he went from the Cubs to the Cardinals pic.twitter.com/WxZhIS6wbb
— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) May 8, 2024
May 9, 2024 at 5:34 am #251353The carpet walkers figured out catchers have been doing it wrong for 100 years. They outlaw collisions at the plate but encourage and promote guys getting in the way of the bat. OK, carry on.
May 9, 2024 at 11:54 am #251388MLB catcher interference infractions:
2014: one every 810 games.
2015: one every 809 g
2016: one every 809 g
2017: one every 540 g
2018: one every 405 g
2019: one every 80.9 g
2021: one every 79.6 g
2022: one every 65.6 g
2023: one every 50.6 g
2024: one every 32 g— Bernie Miklasz (@miklasz) May 8, 2024
May 9, 2024 at 12:00 pm #251390So, the question becomes – is stealing strikes worth losing your $17 million catcher for 8 weeks?
May 9, 2024 at 1:43 pm #251403The simple solution is robo umps, then framing won’t matter. The sooner that happens, the sooner Bucknor and Angel will become insignificant, with their every base call challengeable, and yes, fewer catchers should get hurt.
May 9, 2024 at 2:06 pm #251408I’m all for auto balls and strikes now that we have the tech for it.
Tired of variable strike zones shaped like a kindergartner drew them.
May 9, 2024 at 2:07 pm #251409Well, there’s the business case for getting rid of Bucknor and Hernandez.
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