StL 2024 Game #36 thread – Tuesday, May 7 vs. Mets

Home The Cardinal Nation Forums Open Forum StL 2024 Game #36 thread – Tuesday, May 7 vs. Mets

Viewing 22 posts - 101 through 122 (of 122 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #251246
    1964cards
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    You can try to trade Arenado and Goldy, but I am not sure you will get much in return. Goldy is in the final year of his contract and appears to be overmatched. Arenado’s glove has looked good, he is getting on base, but his power performance has dropped off (granted I believe HRs in MLB are lower to this point when compared to last year). However, he is 33 and owed $64M over the next three seasons.

    #251247
    TexasCard
    Participant

    Free

    I don’t care if they give them away. Clear the payroll.

    #251248
    ZTR
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Those two guys have no trade clauses, are 10 year vets, and another team has to agree to pay their salary It’s not always easy to find a trade partner.

    We are likely stuck with Mikolas, Matz, Goldschmidt, Arenado, and Contreras because of their contracts just like we were stuck with DeJong and Carpenter before.

    As I said earlier, I don’t know what anyone can do to fix this mess. We have very little talent in the pipeline with mostly garbage at AAA. We are stuck with an aging starting rotation and a whole bunch of very average to below average young players.

    Clearly scouting and development have failed. It’s not a 1 or even a 2 year fix and the fix can’t even begin until a new POBO is hired. Even once that happens that guy has to implement his vision and we all have to hope he’s good

    The Cardinals are potentially poised to be average to bad for a very, very long time.

    #251251
    PugsleyAddams
    Participant

    Free

    My only comment is how do you not bat Goldy 9th? He’s proven over and over all season long that he deserves it. I’m sure he’s a great guy, but he’s no longer anything close to being a great player. And he most likely can now kiss any chance of sniffing Cooperstown goodbye. His dismal performance is tarnishing a once wonderful legacy.

    #251254
    Thegreyghost
    Participant

    Free

    You couldn’t get a rosin bag for Mikolas or Matz right now or probably at any point this season or next.

    Contreras with a broken arm is not tradeable right now…he would have to waive his No trade

    Arenado you have to hope he starts to hit for some power soon, he would have the highest value b/c he has a fairly reasonable contract if he is hitting…he would have to waive his no trade

    Usually $$ gets no trades waived.

    Goldschmidt it’s not looking good at all…thankfully they haven’t resigned him yet….he is a notorious slow starter but this looks to be a real problem.

    They just have too many holes in their lineup to do anything…Gorman/Nootbar/Donovan have just been awful.

    Team is a train wreck…would not shock me if they win less than 70 games this year

    #251255
    BrockLou
    Participant

    Free

    Regarding Goldy, I wonder if his problem is bat speed.
    A year or two ago I heard a Tiger announcer talk about the great Miguel Cabrera. They said that he had reduced bat speed at the end of his career. To compensate, he started his swing earlier. They said this worked with fastballs, but not breaking stuff.

    Maybe we need a new hitting coach, and not just for Goldy

    #251256
    blingboy
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Clearly scouting and development have failed.

    I will go ahead and point out that it is theoretically possible that one of either scouting or development has failed and that the other has not. Therefore it is not defensible to blame both or either.

    #251257
    blingboy
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    As was the case last season, we are or will soon be at a point where it makes sense to put Baker at 1B every day and see if he can acclimate to ML pitching. Maybe there is an even better reason to do it this year, since we now have no power bat at all in the lineup.

    #251258
    blingboy
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Perhaps the most compelling issue right at this moment is that Herrera may not be able to control stolen bases enough to be the everyday guy behind the plate. That is sort of the elephant in the room, even after the org spent $85 million rather than put him back there. So now what?

    #251261
    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Paid - Annual

    Baker is currently hitting .218 for Memphis. So there’s that.

    #251270
    KeepComingBack
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    I’m not going to get upset. I saw this coming during the off-season. I made my views known than moved on with the business of being a Cardinals fan. Let’s just hope they finally concede to the fact the way they build their roster has failed.

    #251272
    ZTR
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    They may make changes in coaching, management, personnel and philosophy but but there will never be a mea culpa press conference. Ever.

    #251274
    LACardFan
    Participant

    Free

    John Denton seems to put the blame for Contreras injury on the Cardinals:

    To help Contreras get more low strikes for their pitchers, the Cardinals have positioned the veteran catcher closer to the plate than he’s been in years past.

    Contreras Arm Fracture

    #251288
    blingboy
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    “The more catchers are evaluated on framing, the closer they’re getting to the hitter in order to get that low pitch”

    Marmol seems to put it on Contreras.

    #251295
    gscottar
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Seems to be an industry wide issue.

    #251352
    BlackHillsCard
    Participant

    Free

    This video from Jomboy Media shows just how much Contreras had moved up in the box:

    #251353
    blingboy
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    The carpet walkers figured out catchers have been doing it wrong for 100 years. They outlaw collisions at the plate but encourage and promote guys getting in the way of the bat. OK, carry on.

    #251388
    gscottar
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    #251390
    LACardFan
    Participant

    Free

    So, the question becomes – is stealing strikes worth losing your $17 million catcher for 8 weeks?

    #251403
    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Paid - Annual

    The simple solution is robo umps, then framing won’t matter. The sooner that happens, the sooner Bucknor and Angel will become insignificant, with their every base call challengeable, and yes, fewer catchers should get hurt.

    #251408
    ZTR
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    I’m all for auto balls and strikes now that we have the tech for it.

    Tired of variable strike zones shaped like a kindergartner drew them.

    #251409
    LACardFan
    Participant

    Free

    Well, there’s the business case for getting rid of Bucknor and Hernandez.

Viewing 22 posts - 101 through 122 (of 122 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

First-hand news and commentary on the St. Louis Cardinals™ and minor league system for over 25 years