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    stlcard25stlcard25
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    The Pirates are so terribly run. It’s a real shame that they fleeced PA taxpayers to pay for their beautiful new stadium only to put a competitive team on the field once every 20 years. That ownership group is nothing but trouble and could use run out of town.

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    But don’t forget about that old adage basically stating that owners own the teams and it is their money and fans should dutifully go along with the owners wishes. I wonder if the Pirate fans feel that way.

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    jj-cf-stljj-cf-stl
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    25, judging by the marte return, the rebuild will be a long one.

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    gscottar wrote:

    …I wonder if the Pirate fans feel that way.

    The way for fans to get their message across to ownership is to stay home, to not subscribe to the TV networks and not watch games. What we say on social media and message boards may make us feel better, but it has no impact other than to enable us to blow off steam.

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    But don’t forget about that old adage basically stating that owners own the teams and it is their money and fans should dutifully go along with the owners wishes. I wonder if the Pirate fans feel that way.

    Living in Western PA and growing up around a lot of Pirates fans…they most definitely do not.

    …But it’s a great place to see a game. Lots of seats available most days.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Not everyone in Pittsburgh is sorry to see Marte go. From an article in The Athletic:

    “There were moments of lackadaisical head-assery that left people rightfully baffled, and his steroid suspension in 2017 nuked any chance at one final run of relevant baseball with the McCutchen core. If you can’t forgive him for that, you’re not alone. It’s a mixed legacy and one worth thinking about today, tomorrow and for a while after that.”

    https://theathletic.com/1565094/2020/01/27/starling-marte-trade-pirates-prospects-brennan-malone-liover-peguero-ben-cherington/

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    Dyson sounds thrilled to be with the Pirates. He later tried to walk it back.

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    stlcard25stlcard25
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    Well, Pittsburgh is a nice city as cities go, and the surrounding country is very pleasant. I guess that’s something going for it.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Too much honesty there, Jarrod! 😉

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    This country needs more unfettered honesty. Raise the Jolly Roger!

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    Way to get off on the right foot with the Pirates’ fan base, Jarrod! The guy that came up with the idea of the guaranteed contract must have known there would be times like this.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    AvatarDavid Martin
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    Starling Marte’s wife died of a heart attack. Sure you saw that. Very sad. RIP

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Uh, oh.

    #133011
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Confirmed.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    “It is just the same as making a big trade….”

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Five games against this club in the next four days.

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    Sometimes we play to the level of our competition. We are 2-3 against the Pirates this year.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    I looked at this list of players and yawned…

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    jj-cf-stljj-cf-stl
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    Just a farm system for MLB. The Bucs best players can be found in the postseason on other clubs rosters.

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    Don’t like seeing the Pirates run into the ground, as they have long been one of my favorite non-Cardinals franchises. Great team colors, solid history with a lot of great players, one of the best stadiums in the game today.

    That Archer deal for Meadows and Glasnow really put the final nail in the coffin for Huntington. Meadwos was last year’s “Arozarena” for Tampa, and Glasnow has been better than the injured Archer.

    They have a decent young core with Polanco, Frzier and now this kid Hayes. I like their shortstops, and Bell has shown flashes of stardom. Need to build the bullpen, hoard prospects and shoot for mid-to-late ’20s as being competitive, sort like the White Sox did the last five years or so.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Perception vs. reality?

    Polanco has dealt with injuries and his performance cratered. His career OPS+ is 96, four percent below MLB average. (As a comparison point, Dexter Fowler’s OPS+ as a Cardinal-only is 98.)

    Frazier’s career OPS+ is 100 exactly – the textbook definition of an average MLB player. Hayes looks like a winner, though.

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    jj-cf-stljj-cf-stl
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    I think Mitch Keller is jewel of that org going forward. Taillon just can’t stay healthy.

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    They had so many players traded too early or that didn’t materialize. Remember they had a top 3 farm system in MLB one year.

    Austin Meadows (last years Arrozarena) and Tyler Glasnow went to Tampa for Chris Archer…awful trade. Meadows was a top 10 prospect in all of baseball (Carlson-level) as was Polanco, who never really developed at all. Kang got into all that trouble after looking promising for a couple seasons. Hanson, McGuire, and Kingham were also top 100 prospects that washed out. Then they lose Cole, Taillon gets hurt…Even Robbie Grossman was a former top 100 Pirate prospect that they traded for Wandy Rodriguez.

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