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    Brian Walton
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    Let’s have off-season threads for each of the NL Central teams when there is news to share.

    The Pirates have parted ways with their team president. The GM survived, however. The manager job is still open.

    https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pirates/2019/10/23/pittsburgh-pirates-president-frank-coonelly-fired-leaving-team-manager-search/stories/201910220180

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    This is a comment from the article above. Interesting how there are those who have a higher regard for Matheny than the STL front office and some loud mouth Cardinal fans.

    Mike Totin11 seconds ago

    Good move ! Now fire Neal Huntington and bring in Mike Matheny in Coonelly’s spot and let him begin the interview process for a new manager.

    Mike could bring in Clapp.

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    Brian Walton
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    Wow. One would really have to be a Matheny shill to suggest him as a team president candidate, given his limited or nonexistent front office experience. People say the darndest things!

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    Brian Walton
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    Well, they are now firing the GM, too. Oddly, manager first, then team president and now the GM is out.

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    The Pirates need to fire their owner, too. What a dysfunctional organization.

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    Their new president is respected, but is a non-baseball guy. Then again, so was Jeff Luhnow…

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    I agree with stl25. Their owner needs to take a long look in the mirror. In the last five years their payrolls have been ranked 27, 27, 23, 25, 25. I think the results they have gotten have been pretty good considered what the FO and manager had to work with.

    http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm

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    Wasn’t Huntington thought of as an up-and-coming GM when he was hired? The Bucs had it going on for awhile there, but then went the cheap route by moving Cole and McCutchen. The latter Has worked out okay though as they got Brian Reynolds.

    But when they did take the plunge as buyers, Huntington made the deal that probably lead to his firing, sending Glasnow and Meadows to Tampa for Chris Archer. That deal looks like it could do down as an all-time bust.

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    Brian Walton
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    Yes, Huntington was well-thought of once, but was in his job more than 12 years. He took over there at the end of the Jocketty regime here – so a lot has happened (or not) since then.

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    then went the cheap route by moving Cole and McCutchen. The latter Has worked out okay though as they got Brian Reynolds.

    But when they did take the plunge as buyers, Huntington made the deal that probably lead to his firing, sending Glasnow and Meadows to Tampa for Chris Archer. That deal looks like it could do down as an all-time bust.

    Man, those are some bad trades…Put Glasnow, Cole, and Meadows back on the team…big difference.

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    Yeah – they would subtract Musgrove and Moran, but Cole and Glasnow would keep you from having big losing streaks, and Meadows looks like he will be a star for years.

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    Roberto Clemente, Willie Stargell, Bob Moose and Bruce Kison have to be rolling over in their graves at what has happened to this once proud franchise. The good fans in The Steel City deserve more.

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    Agreed, Pugs. Pittsburgh fans have proven that they will support a team that at least appears to try to be winning. Other than one little renaissance in the 2012-15 range, the Pirates haven’t even faked it since the early 90s.

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    The Pirates, along with the Reds, took over National League dominance after the Dodgers and Cardinals had won six straight pennants between them.

    In the ‘70s, those two battled in several LCS’. We helped both teams by giving them some good players. Then late in the decade the Phillies came to prominence, again helped by our castoffs.

    The Dodgers returned as well, and of course you guessed it, were helped by our castoffs (or at least “castoff”, Reggie Smith).

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    You are correct bikemike. My formative years in baseball were the late 70’s early 80’s. The dominant NL teams then were the Pirates, Phillies, Reds, and Dodgers. Very powerful teams.

    The 1979 Pirates were called the Lumber Company. They had Willie Stargell, Dave Parker, Bill Madlock, Bill Robinson, John Milner, Phil Garner, Mike Easler, Lee Lacy, Omar Moreno, and others… They were loaded.

    This once proud franchise is a shell of itself. It is kind of sad to see.

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