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September 11, 2022 at 4:25 pm #200203
JJ sighting! Thanks for that!
Musical and Slaughter on the corners was pretty special too.
September 11, 2022 at 4:26 pm #200204I should have known Mike would beat me to the punch.
September 11, 2022 at 9:17 pm #200216bccranParticipantSubstandard outfield by Cardinal historical standards.
September 11, 2022 at 10:37 pm #200219I’m thinking that next season, with the shift banned, most player’s offensive stats will change, maybe dramatically. Front offices will have to try to project what the change will be for each player in order to have an idea of what they really have. It might be best to go with what we have for next season before making moves to upgrade our offense.
September 12, 2022 at 8:01 am #200229bccran asserted:
Substandard outfield by Cardinal historical standards.
No. The only data shown so far is anecdotal comparisons to a few of the greatest OFs in team history. No one had suggested the 2022 OF is among the best ever.
The initial suggestion was that the 2022 OF is among the worst in MLB. That was disproven.
So, the goal posts moved… And I don’t have time to pull the data to refute/verify your newest claim…
September 12, 2022 at 10:42 am #200242Oli has O’Neill, Carlson and Noot in the OF, with PDJ, Edman and Gorman up the middle and Donovan as the DH.
Oil’s way has the most flexibility. He can rest anyone but the catcher at DH, and just plug in Donovan at their position. If someone is dinged up, but not IL, same scenario, plug in Donovan. It’s the least disruptive way to manage the position players since Edman is needed full time on the middle infield.
That works for this year but next year I am assuming that Yepez and Burleson will need to get in the lineup somewhere.
September 12, 2022 at 10:45 am #200243Well it would depend on what managements expectations are next year. If they don’t win it all this year but feel they are close, another year of hoping O’Neil or Carlson come around may not be in the cards. I could see Dickerson back if he finishes out strong
The Cardinals will have to do a cost/benefit analysis on Dickerson. This year he is making $5M. What kind of salary will he want next year coming off of a strong second half? Would one year $7M be enough? If so, do you pay him that or figure you can get similar production out of Yepez and Burleson for $700k each?
September 12, 2022 at 11:57 am #200247bccranParticipantOkay, I’ll rephrase. The Cardinals OF is one of the worst hitting outfields of all upper echelon major league teams.
September 12, 2022 at 12:32 pm #200249Playoff teams if the season ended today ahead of St Louis in OF wRC+:
Mets
Yankees
Astros
Dodgers
MarinersSt Louis is 6th in the majors.
After the Cards among playoff teams:
Toronto
Tampa Bay
Atlanta
Philadelphia
San Diego
ClevelandSo, they are 6th of 12 playoff bound teams in offense from the outfield. Is that “one of the worst?”
September 12, 2022 at 12:54 pm #200251“What I meant was…”
September 12, 2022 at 1:32 pm #200253bccranParticipantIt just means there must be a low standard, 25. Here are some more numbers –
Bader – gone
Carlson in August, before being “DLed” in early September – .217/.313/.337/.650
O’Neill in August – .215/.315/.462/.777 (skewed by HR)
Nootbaar in September – .071/.182/.179/.360
Yepez in July – .149/.196/.277/.473 (before going down)
Dickerson –
Aug. – .411/.411/.589/1.000The numbers are skewed because they include –
Good months for May and June by Yepez
Bader’s good months
Nootbaar’s crazy good August
Carlson’s decent months before slumping badly
Edman’s games in the outfield
Dickerson with off the charts good months in August and September so far.September 12, 2022 at 3:13 pm #200258Só skewing with bad months is ok, skewing with good month is not?
There may be a low standard but if the population of OF available is bad what should they do?
September 12, 2022 at 3:19 pm #200261They should have brought up Burleson sooner, of course! 😉
September 12, 2022 at 4:03 pm #200266bccranParticipantNot a bad idea, Brian. Of course you and several other posters said he wouldn’t come up in September. That Yepez would, but Burleson wouldn’t. That he wouldn’t because he wasn’t on the 40 man. Remember?
September 12, 2022 at 4:07 pm #200267I bet you predicted Carlson would get hurt, too. You are truly amazing!
September 12, 2022 at 4:14 pm #200268So far no strikeouts for Burleson.
September 12, 2022 at 4:20 pm #200269Just for accuracies sake, Edman has no outfield starts in 2022.
September 12, 2022 at 5:06 pm #200271bccranParticipantJJ – For the record, Baseball Reference says differently.
Brian – Instead of backlashing with a ridiculous statement, why don’t you just admit you were wrong about Yepez being called up before Burleson and that Burleson wouldn’t be called up because he wasn’t on the 40 man. A little crow never hurt anybody. None of us are right all the time.
September 12, 2022 at 5:19 pm #200275Edman has no outfield starts in 2022.
He does have 3 outfield PA’s when shifted from his starting lineup position.
You are probably remembering 2021.
September 12, 2022 at 5:26 pm #200277I didn’t look it up, but I seem to recall Eddie getting quite a few innings in the OF in his first season of ’19 as well. Anyone recall if he’s ever been placed in CF as a Cardinal?
September 12, 2022 at 5:58 pm #200278Edman had 1 inning in CF in 2019 and 5 innings in CF this year.
His total outfield innings by year are as follows:
2019: 82.2
2020: 128.1
2021: 284.1
2022: 8September 12, 2022 at 6:05 pm #200279bccranParticipantAre Bader’s offensive numbers being factored into the 2022 OF offensive production? If so, they should be backed out.
September 12, 2022 at 6:09 pm #200281The common sense, and accurate thing to say is the Cardinals outfield has had average, or mediocre of you prefer, production in 2022. Defense has been real good though, as the club’s offense has been largely carried by infielders.
The potential is there for improvement, possibly big improvement if Yepez, Carlson, O’Neill and possibly Burleson are contributing in 2023 at their potential. Noot might have a say in that as well.
September 12, 2022 at 6:14 pm #200282Not an outfield issue, but since Edman was brought into this it got me thinking it will be tough for him to win another gold glove with the spread of his innings by infield position.
In 2021 he had 1,032.1 innings at 2B and 26 at SS.
In 2022 he has 566.2 innings at 2B, 532 at SS, and 26 at 3B.
I wonder if there is a minimum inning number for a specific position to be eligible? I recall they did away with specific positions for outfield gold glove awards.
September 12, 2022 at 6:47 pm #200283bccranParticipantExcellent post, Bike Mike.
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