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If he’s indeed being truthful, his words ought to put to rest not only the question of precisely who’s making the on field in game decisions, but also who’s deciding the best chances of success regarding the construction of the day to day line-up. Best I can tell the accountability for these two areas continue to rest on the top step of the dugout. The only question that to arises is if he’s indeed speaking the truth? The answer to that question continues to be up for debate.
I thought Ollie was very convincing. I wish X-man would have asked him how long before game time does he get the lineup?
Big difference between in-game decisions and pre-game decisions and overall roster decisions and roster development.
Yeah, he didn’t say anything about roster decisions or roster development but, according to the whiz-kid Redbird manager, he’s the supreme commander of all in-game on field decisions and the undisputed author of all line-up cards. According to him Johnny, or anyone else, would never, ever dare to interfere with any of his sound judgements associated with the aforementioned two areas…Haha!
1tough said:
Yeah, he didn’t say anything about roster decisions or roster development but…
He didn’t have to say anything about that. Those are not the job of the field manager.
I posted the video knowing full well that those who believe their keen insight is absolutely correct as to how the team operates behind the scenes will not change their opinion.
Now, not only is he a puppet, he is a bald-faced liar, too. 😉
Exactly, BW. Roster decisions and development are not his stock and trade and thank goodness that’s the case. I’ll also add that I’ve always thought that he’s in complete control regarding the composition of the day to day line-ups or any decisions affecting the on the field proceedings while a game is being played. He’s the master of events concerning these two important areas. However, I don’t think that’ll be the case for too much longer. I genuinely expect him to be gone before 50 regular season games are placed into the books during the ’24 season. As for possibly being untruthful?…I feel he’d say that water isn’t wet if the statement served him well…Haha!
He didn’t have to say anything about that. Those are not the job of the field manager.
You would be surprised how many people believe the manager does make the roster decisions.
1tough said:
LaRussa had a significant influence on roster decisions and Herzog had complete control.
TLR had over three decades of experience managing. Of course, his input would be considered.
Whitey was both the field manager and the general manager, so of course, he made player moves. Baseball is not run that way anymore.
Neither of them, whether 12 or 40 years ago, are relevant to Marmol today.
Well, if that’s indeed the case, I won’t ever again mention either LaRussa or Herzog in the same breath with the name of the current Redbird manager. In any case, I don’t expect the current Redbird manager to be at all relevant to this team after about 50 regular season games into the ’24 season.
TLR had over three decades of experience managing. Of course, his input would be considered.
I liked Parcells’ line, something like if they want you to cook dinner, they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries.
It’s not happenstance that Mo has hired 3 rookie mgrs since TLR. He wants a burger flipper in the dugout, not a chef.
Not a coincidence that TLR and Parcells were friends. He was around spring training more than once. Same with Bobby Knight and TLR was friends with Belichick, too. There is definitely a common thread.
Brian, you are absolutely right about those connections/friendships. I was well aware of them, but haven’t thought about it in a while and it didn’t even cross my mind when I quoted Parcells. Subliminal maybe, lol. Birds of a feather.
So, how do we think personnel and lineup decisions are made by the Cardinals these days?
BW is probably in the best position to know so:
On a scale of 1-10 how much input / control does Marmol have on player acquisition from outside the organization?
1-10, how much input / control does Marmol have on internal player movement between the AA / AAA / MLB rosters?
1-10, how much control does Marmol have over the game to game lineup?
If I had to guess I’d say it’s 4 / 6 / 9…
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I have nothing on which to base an informed response to any of the above.
That is a fun set of questions, ZTR. My guesses, and they are only guesses, is 1/2/9.
1. Player acquisition is not his job.
2. It all depends on how one interprets the question. He provides input on immediate 26-man roster needs, but if a change is made and who fills the need is not his decision.
3. The lineup is his call, but he gets a lot of input. Like I speculated before, if they win, he probably gets many fewer questions than if they are losing.I can’t wait to see bling’s 0/0/0 answer! 😉
1-5-10
2) Marmol knows the active rosters health better than the FO. His input on roster movement should be 50/50. He knows where the roster is vulnerable day-to-day. Final say is not his.
3) If/when the FO hands down an optimum lineup for that days game, hand down the best five lineups, and show your work.
I would say 1/1/2 but it should be 1/1/1. Marmol is basically a lost cause and offers very little to any pluses this team has. IMO few people listen to him….. much less the FO. He is the true definition of the word “puppet”.
LaRussa had a significant influence on roster decisions and Herzog had complete control.
Well that isn’t even close to how the Cardinals run things these days.
It’s not happenstance that Mo has hired 3 rookie mgrs since TLR. He wants a burger flipper in the dugout, not a chef.
Exactly!
So, how do we think personnel and lineup decisions are made by the Cardinals these days?
BW is probably in the best position to know so:
On a scale of 1-10 how much input / control does Marmol have on player acquisition from outside the organization?
1-10, how much input / control does Marmol have on internal player movement between the AA / AAA / MLB rosters?
1-10, how much control does Marmol have over the game to game lineup?
If I had to guess I’d say it’s 4 / 6 / 9…
I would say:
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