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Josh Fields has been very good the last two years although he doesn’t meet the LH requirement if that is what they are determined to acquire. Also, I don’t know if it is wise to trade JMart for a pitcher with only one year of control left.
Ferguson, on the other hand, has many years of control left. His 2018 numbers were ok but not eye popping.
Who in the NL other than the Diamondbacks is planning on being worse than next year? Giants and Pirates probably try to hold where they are at. Marlins cant be worse can they? Mets, Padres, and Reds all a little further along in their rebuilds. I dont see more teams tanking than last year.
I didn’t say there would be more teams tanking than last year, but simply said the amount of teams that are currently tanking have inflated win totals.
General manager Michael Girsch of the #STLCards said that, while the team has discussed dealing OF/1B Jose Martinez for relief help, it also has discussed moving him for prospects.
— Mark Saxon (@markasaxon) December 13, 2018
If we moved him for prospects I wonder if they’ll be the prospects that people fully expect to play in the majors one day or if they’re prospects that are big maybe’s…or just for insurance for the minors…
Honestly, right now there is enough relief help on the market that if they could add a decent prospect or two, then sign some free agent relief help, they are probably better off.
I cant imagine we’d be seeing any near helping hitting prospects…maybe an arm, but that seems unlikely…if we got anything of value it would probably be some young hitters at A-ish level, probably good talent but far from helping right away
i dont think they’d be good ready to go hitting talent (liek let’s say Lowe from tB)…as he is basically ready now, and even though JMart is cheap, homegrown not up in the bigs talent is even cheaperJMart + Poncedeleon + Ad.Garcia + Carlos Soto
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Rogers + Astudillo from MINNYwe get our utility catcher who makes contact and can help bridge to Knizner should Molina regress quickly… and we get our big lefty
Minny gets a swing starter or starter, a future lefty hitting catching prospect, a quick some upside OFer with power and a cheap DH pushing Cron to 1b…
Gyorko is a also a possibility for them too…go heavy to get Rogers if you have to his numbers are really good and Astudillo solves another concern…it’s worth upping the give to answer to concerns as well as clear up some depth issues and 40man clog
or you go back to SEA and try to find a match with them with JMart (after they trade Edwin)…targeting Haniger to solve RF and MOTB with control and major upside…i mentioned somewhere else but go as big as necessary and take on Felix for his last year if need be…if you arent going to spend on FAs then spend it on Felix to make prospect loss..less
maybe Gyorko deal with MInny still could have legs to get Rogers with the right prospects (then get Smith with some young SPs from SF)
I like a future OF 2020 of Oneill, Bader, Haniger
after spending money to re-sign Goldy and Carp…Goldy, Wong, DEJOng, Carp, Yadi
bench of Astudillo, Fowler, Munoz, Robinson/etc is goodSmith,Rogers to help out the pen with Hicks and Reyes coudl be filthy
One less potential American League landing spot for Martinez…
Free agent slugger Nelson Cruz has agreed to a deal with the Minnesota Twins, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) December 27, 2018
“I really hope they don’t bump O’Neill down to AAA to carry Martinez and Gyorko though.”
Presented without comment, the 2019 Clay Davenport 50th percentile projections for some Cardinal outfielders, on a per 600 plate appearance basis.
Marcell Ozuna 3.7 WAR
Tyler O’Neill 3.6
Harrison Bader 2.9
Dexter Fowler 1.9
Justin Williams 1.5
Randy Arozarena 1.3
Jose Martinez 0.8
Lane Thomas 0.7
Jose Adolis Garcia 0.0Well, I have some comments (and some questions). 😉
What did Mr. Davenport project for Cardinals hitters last year? It would be interesting to compare them to what really happened.
Did Davenport explain WHY he is so down on Martinez for 2019? In his two seasons with the Cards, Martinez posted real, not projected, fWARs of 1.6 and 2.3 – over an average of just 450 plate appearances per season.
It is not due to less playing time, since these numbers assume MORE plate appearances, 600. Martinez is only 30 years old and is healthy. So, what logic would support a projection of just 0.8? Smells fishy to me.
What did Mr. Davenport project for Cardinals hitters last year? It would be interesting to compare them to what really happened.
I’m with Brian Walton… “show me” some past results. Hell, anyone can jot down names and numbers.
This Clay Davenport whatever is something dreamed up for fantasy baseball fans. Anyone else taking it seriously….really shouldn’t. His list has already been sent over to my circular file.
ooops… I hope that this isn’t too opinionated. After all, this an opinion forum.
Ny, FWIW, I am a long-time fantasy player, among the more than 20 million Americans that do. However, I would never use projections for my drafts without understanding and agreeing with the methodology behind them. Even without that background, these do not pass my sniff test, so I am pretty sure there is no way I would use them.
For those who aren’t fantasy players, almost all leagues do not take defense into account. As a result, a player like Bader is far more valuable in the real world, and a player like Martinez is more valuable as a fantasy player – which is not what the above projections say. So I doubt they are fantasy-oriented – a misdirected shot fired.
Unless we can get a high quality reliever in return I see no reason to give JMart away. He isn’t costing us anything. Yes it could make for some tough 25 man roster decisions if we keep him but that seems like a good problem to have to me.
I am not against what you are saying gscottar, but would you agree even if O’Neill had to return to Memphis?
That wouldn’t be ideal but yes I would send O’Neill back to Memphis if we had to. We all know it would be temporary anyway. There are going to be injuries plus I think there is a good chance Ozuna is not back in 2020 so that would relieve the OF roster jam right there. Surely we can make it work for one year.
Br, being a fantasy player yourself, I don’t think that you should be speaking for ALL fantasy players. Some may not be as good, or don’t have as much time to be, as good as you at seeking perfection. They just might take a peek at Davenport and use it as a solid reference. Another misdirected holier(smarter) than thou shot. 🙁
ps. there is a line from “Marathon Man” that I am tempted to use here…. blow it out …. …, fm. To those who remember that flick, you catch my drift. 🙂
Thanks for clarifying, gscottar. As of right now, here is the four-man bench:
Pena
Martinez
Gyorko
MunozIf they sign a veteran LHH infielder, Munoz is sent down, too.
However, if they decide to go with only seven relievers, then Munoz or O’Neill would seem to have a chance.
But, again, this is right now, not the end of March.
Ny, we should not debate fantasy knowledge, as I do have years of experience there. I am guessing you do not. That may appear to be holier than thou, but it also appears to be accurate. I would have these same kind of debates every spring with Jerry Modene, who also mistakenly connected any new stats he did not like or understand to the evils of fantasy baseball. It is just one of my hot buttons.
Fantasy baseball does not use WAR. For hitters, it uses home runs, RBI, steals, batting average/OBP, runs scored. For pitchers: ERA, WHIP, Ks, saves, wins. Maybe Davenport has that detail too, and if it does, then yes, people certainly might use it in their drafts. If the numbers above are any indication, I hope those people are in my leagues.
No, fantasy baseball is one of my outside endeavors. I make no money from it, but I do take it seriously and enjoy the competition and the friendships it has brought me over the years. The Cardinal Nation is my business. How about we get back to Jose Martinez?
NJ, I am guessing you are directing that question to me. DeJong’s backup could be: new LHH infielder, Munoz or Gyorko, depending on who is on the roster. For a long-term injury, they probably have to call someone up. Based on the 40-man, it would seem to be Sosa. I don’t get the feeling Robinson is a natural SS, but he could be another option in a pinch.
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