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The Cardinals drafting philosophy over the years has been to draft pitching, pitching, and more pitching.
The feeling is that you never have enough pitching, and also that you can trade pitching for position players as needed to fill in.
Yes, except they traded away all their pitching for impact bats that have had little impact.
With a sprinkling of high ceiling high school position players thrown in…..Plummer, Denton, Tilson, Kelly, D. Perez, etc.
To me, Plummer was never a high ceiling pick. His one tool was his ability to draw a walk. Perez, yes, high ceiling/low floor.
What it didn’t say was whether or not the Rays insisted on Arozarena. What a bunch of other information suggests is that the Rays wanted Arozarena. Mo hesitated before answering. That tells me that he had to think of a way to put a positive spin on what went down. As you have alluded to many times: Mo is very calculating and generic in what he says. He won’t make the Cardinals look too bad. I would not expect him to say that the Rays insisted on Arozarena. That insinuates the Cardinals should have known Arozarena’s value.
We are getting close to having to circle the wagons. Mozeliak is leaving of in the hoping and praying zone with little hope that the Cards will improve this year or next year for that matter. We don’t have any expendable players of sizable value to trade. Maybe the FO is considering dealing Edman?
Mo alluded to the fact we would have still gotten Liberatore if someone besides Arozarena had been in the deal. Mo was very high on Thomas at that time.
Maybe the video that went public of Shildt’s rant might have played into it too. Ala Pham.
I just read Bernie’s Scooops with DM column from yesterday. Wow he really ripped everybody a new one. From BDW to Mo to Schildt to the players. I am sure there are points for folks to dispute, but overall spot on. Some eye opening stats as well. Spoiler, he did not mention Carp.
Well, to be fair, it is not Carpenter’s fault the team gave a stupid extension to a declining, aging player.
Bernie’s from Baltimore, and grew up an Orioles fan. The Orioles have had all of 4 winning seasons this century. No World Series appearances. Last World Championship was in 1983. In 2018 they were 47-115. In 2019 they were 54-108. In 2020 they were 25-35. This season they’re 26-54. It’s all relative, Bernie.
Bernie has always liked to look down from his ivory tower and tell the team everything they are doing wrong, that’s kind of his shtick. He loves the outrage machine and getting fans worked up into a frenzy. Sometimes he is right, other times I think he is being unfair. I never read his stuff anymore or listen to him on the radio because I think most times he is just being a curmudgeon for the sake of it because he feels other media members are too soft on the team.
The worse a team plays the more bombs are launched at them. First off the culture of the organization is heading for the toilet. Its a matter of this club now being dysfunctional. Players that some Card fans never heard of are showing up in the hometown dugout. Hope and pray my friends… just hope and pray.
14 – Measure the team as guys come back from injuries. That will give you a truer picture.
Also, it’s a head scratcher why some guys have had trouble that doesn’t make sense based upon their past successes. Like DeJong.
Maybe DeJong isn’t as good as some thought he was. As teams adjust to him, can he adjust his hitting? The stats are pointing to a problem.
Maybe the Cards will sign a SS after this year and trade Dejong. Then watch as he puts up a .280 season with 30 HRs and wins a Gold Glove.
Dejong hitting 280 with 30 homers and a gold glove is about as likely as life on Venus or snow today in Houston, Tx! Ain’t gonna happen, none of them!
If you’re not going to have DeJong’s big bat at SS because of underperformance, then you need to have a big bat in RF. Not a second baseman.
Dejong’s big bat? What does that mean? He is hitting 170! He has declined every year since his first! He does not have a big bat! He sucks!
He had a big bat when he first came up. As I said, if he’s not going to be a big bat again, we need to have a power hitting RFer.
I would love to have a power hitting right fielder for sure, but for me it is a position by position thing! We are weak in lots of areas, but SS I think we have a better option on the team (Sosa)! He is not great. He is not gonna be a super star but maybe he lets us feel good enough about SS that we can go out and buy the power hitting right fielder you crave! Leaving Dejong out there day after day is ridiculous! I believe as soon as he leaves us he will never play mlb again!
Since Sosa can play SS, defensively, as well as DeJong, it only makes sense to have him playing SS. DeJong may have the ability to hit HRs and has had a decent batting average in the past, but he is not doing the job at the plate. He needs to work on his hitting on the side, not during games.
Dejong has always had stretches where he really sucked. He then gets hot and looks like a world beater. I don’t know that he should be replaced full time but platooning wouldn’t hurt. I don’t like edman in right. He should be at second. Yea he’s serviceable out there but I’ve seen some balls he missed a regular outfielder would have got. Putting him out there just to give carp at bats isn’t right. Carpenter hasn’t earned those at bats.
I’m wondering how much money we even have to spend this off-season. I know we have a lot of bad money coming off the books in Carpenter, Fowler, Miller, and Martinez. But we really have a bigger need in the starting rotation and bullpen than we do at short stop or corner outfield. And the unanswered question lurking over all of this is whether spending will return to pre COVID levels. Dewitt is definitely running the Cardinals like a business rather than acting like he’s Cohen of the Mets. He might not want to return to previous spending levels until we have fully recovered financially from what COVID has done last year and this year.
According to Cot’s we currently have around $80M obligated for next year. Then if you add in the arbitration cases it probably gets close to $110M. I would say we should have at least $50M to spend.
This lineup wins consistently when we get good pitching. Spend on pitching, let the lineup auditions continue.
Carlson and O’Neill, leadoff and cleanup, are proof what is possible when we commit to our youth. They’re not batting 7-9 any longer.
When Bader returns, Edman goes back to 2B, but for now I’m enjoying Sosa getting playing time.
I’m aware of that, bccran, and I still feel the pitching is a bigger problem going into next year as it has been an abject disaster this year, we have no depth outside of Liberatore to speak of in the high minors to pencil in the rotation, and we do have Gorman and Burleson who could both be ready next year to supplement the lineup for league minimum.
The pitching is going to require significant overhaul to fix. The hitting is only this bad due to injuries forcing us to give too many at bats to below replacement level players. When healthy, our lineup was fine. We should still try to improve it, and I would advocate seeing what you can get for Dejong and signing Story. But going forward and including this year, the pitching in our organization is a bigger issue.
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