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February 3, 2023 at 10:33 am #212061
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ParticipantFlood21 –
Mike Antico, in 5 months last season, had 31 doubles, 14 home runs, and 67 stolen bases. He split his time between Peoria and Springfield. If he doesn’t start the season at Memphis, he should be there shortly after the 2023 season starts. Seems to me he’s a better prospect then either Hurst or Pinder. He was drafted in 2021.
February 3, 2023 at 11:42 am #21206614NyquisT
ParticipantBrian, Yep, I think Burlson and Yeprs will go North. As far as Gomez is concerned I thinking that STl will be looking more for defensive help in the OF should an injury occurs. And then there is Walker who will hopefully play more games for the Cards than the Redbirds. He is on the 40 which may not be the best place to be if the spot is needed. Remember…. just pencil.
Moving Winn into the already crowded OF seems silly but I’ll bet he spends time out there as well as SS.
Now Baez…. It looks like Peoria will have a logjam in the OF with returnees and the influx from PB. Baez would be the best of that group so maybe he could jump Peoria and start in AA as a 19 y.o. I believe he has a high ceiling and a fast track would be a challenge. Of course… we’ll see. Ithought there would be more critiques but your’s is the soundest. Thanks for the kick back. ST will give us a more accurate guesses pre-opening day. I know that you like playing the final placement game.
February 3, 2023 at 11:48 am #212067Bccran – I agree that Antico will move up to Memphis about early to mid season. This is my guess of where players will start the season. I didn’t list Luis Pino for Palm Beach but he should move up by mid season and Fletcher will probably be shown the door. Pinder and Hurst are bench riders and Antico probably wouldn’t start at Memphis now that Mercado is there. He can play everyday at Springfield tell its time to move him up.
February 3, 2023 at 1:33 pm #212068bccran said:
Seems to me he’s (Antico) a better prospect then either Hurst or Pinder. He was drafted in 2021.
Why, yes!
2023 TCN prospect rankings
Antico 31
Pinder 48
Hurst not rankedLooking at CF, folks should not forget about Victor Scott (our no. 29). He’s a step or two behind in levels but looked good early in his career.
February 3, 2023 at 5:22 pm #212076These last few days are rough, there is nothing left to talk about.
So, who is going to start the first ST game? . . . Yeah, I don’t care either.
Maybe Brian will post pictures of the trucks pulling out of Busch with the gear.
February 3, 2023 at 6:05 pm #212077bccran
ParticipantBrian doesn’t reside in St. Louis, but I’d be happy to go down there and take pictures – if someone could tell me when the trucks are going to pull out. Normally I believe it’s 2 big semis.
February 3, 2023 at 6:07 pm #212078bccran
ParticipantI don’t look at the ratings when I make a comment about a guy like Antico, Brian. I just study his stats in college and at every minor league level. Also read published scouting reports.
February 5, 2023 at 3:56 pm #212162I think Brian has said the trucks with the gear pull out tomorrow. Somehow that seems like a milestone.
February 5, 2023 at 5:06 pm #212165Yeah, and then another milestone when they get there and unload…Haha!
February 5, 2023 at 6:12 pm #212167Blingboy:
It could be suggested and even argued vehemently that there has been nothing worth talking about since the off-season started…considering they never intended to do anything but replace Pujols’ numbers.
February 5, 2023 at 6:31 pm #212169They got a catcher, Nate. I think he’ll do good.
February 5, 2023 at 6:36 pm #212170Nathan, I agree, all that happened was replacing Pujols’s bat with a slugging catcher. I don’t think they were too interested in anything else, and got even less interested as time went on. I do think some kind of substantial trade could well happen this season, once they get a better look at what they have and don’t have with the youngsters.
February 6, 2023 at 7:56 am #212172bccran
ParticipantSome under the radar moves that may help. You never know – Mercado, Fermin, Rodriguez, and Zuniga.
February 6, 2023 at 12:20 pm #212187
cardsfan64ParticipantCards sign another infielder to minors contract.
We have signed SS Arquimedes Gamboa to a minor league contract for the 2023 season.
Gamboa, 25, appeared in 82 games with San Francisco's Triple-A affiliate in 2022 after spending seven years in the Phillies system. pic.twitter.com/QwMNP2tUZF
— Cardinals Player Development (@CardsPlayerDev) February 6, 2023
February 6, 2023 at 2:07 pm #212202In this rather underwhelming video… Fredbird seemed to have enough sense to get out of the way of the semi.
Bags are packed. Truck is loaded.
We'll see you in Jupiter! 🌴| #CardsSpringTraining pic.twitter.com/CkGevkYNHM
— St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) February 6, 2023
February 6, 2023 at 2:17 pm #212203This is far more interesting…
Video: Movers pack for Spring Training during Cardinals Truck Day https://t.co/Vup5apvYJc
— STL Cardinals News (@STLCardsNews) February 6, 2023
February 6, 2023 at 3:40 pm #212209Whoa:
I see they signed Gamboa. Winn, you’re on the clock…I wouldn’t buy a home in St. Louis if I were you. It’s what I thought; Gorman, Libertore, Woodford and Winn for Lindor.
Go Cardinals!!!!
February 6, 2023 at 3:54 pm #212210In my playing days, I always showed up with my own mitt and cleats and didn’t take off my uni until mom made me…Haha!
February 6, 2023 at 3:58 pm #212211Free Woody
February 7, 2023 at 8:41 am #212236
stlcard25Participant2023 rotation rankings…the Cards are 19th
Projected record by team when each pitcher starts:
Rotation: Miles Mikolas (17-12), Jordan Montgomery (17-13), Adam Wainwright (12-14), Jack Flaherty (15-13), Steven Matz (13-9), Dakota Hudson (3-6), Matthew Liberatore (2-6), Jake Woodford (2-9)
February 7, 2023 at 8:52 am #212240… and those numbers collectively have the team finishing 81-81… That seems a lowball projection.
February 7, 2023 at 3:39 pm #212267“2023 rotation rankings…the Cards are 19th…
… and those numbers collectively have the team finishing 81-81… That seems a lowball projection.”Yeah, that’s obviously far too pessimistic on the overall team record. They’ve won 90+ games in each of the past three full seasons, and return the vast majority of last year’s talent. (Departure of Pujols+ Molina is balanced by the arrival of Contreras, of course.) Moreover, they’ve finished at least 10 games over .500 in 13 of Mozeliak’s 14 seasons as GM, or whatever they’re calling his job now. Poobah, I think? So they ain’t going 81-81. Or at least, as Damon Runyon would say, that’s the way to bet.
As for the rotation specifically, the ZiPS forecasting model is decidedly less scary for Cardinal fans than whatever prediction system or expert panel ESPN is using. But first, a bit of background is in order.
According to ZiPS, in terms of total talent — position players plus pitchers — there are 8 MLB teams distinctly stronger than the rest right now. Those 8 teams are the Cards, Braves, Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, Astros, Blue Jays, and Padres. (The Phillies and Brewers are 3 and 4 games behind the aforementioned octet, respectively.) If replacement level is 48 wins, the Braves are projected at 103 victories, the Dodgers, Cards, and Yankees at 97, the Mets and Stros at 96, the Friars 95, and Toronto at 94.
Among the Great Eight, the 7 non-Redbird starting rotations are projected to average 14.9 WAR per the ZiPS model. The Redbird rotation is projected at 13.8, so not quite even with their peers but quite close.
February 7, 2023 at 4:20 pm #212272The strength of the starting 9 and projected rotation is all well and good on paper, but that isn’t the squad that will determine how a team’s season goes. Teams will experience injuries, some will be decimated. So you have to factor in what is behind those guys or it is pretty meaningless. The Cardinals are usually in pretty good shape in that area.
February 7, 2023 at 4:25 pm #212273I don’t know about anyone else, but I’d have to guess that with the tremendous increase in play between the two leagues this season, things are about to get a lot more difficult to project. Don’t ask me exactly what I base this on, because I really don’t know…Haha!
February 7, 2023 at 4:37 pm #212274bccran
ParticipantNo one was particularly excited when they got Lester, Happ, Quintana, or Montgomery. You just never know.
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