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    For the record…

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    It is a very touchy situation. I wish his rehab would have been more dominant. There is really one way out if he fails much longer. You have to try and stay in contention. I would also feel better if they sent Bowman out. Mayers has pitched better, but he will likely be the one sent out.

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    If Holland continues to pitch poorly after this rehab, is the FO faced with a decision? They will want him to stay on the roster because of the $$ they shelled out…. same for Gregerson, Leone and is evident with Cecil. Bad or not they stay because DeWitt’s pockets are lighter and our GM thinks it might make him look bad if we parted ways with any of them.

    That is, of course, why we’ll likely be seeing Fowler sitting on the bench until the end of his over the top contract$$$$.

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    I suspect that they’d drop him by the trade deadline if he hasn’t turned it around.

    Gregerson still has another year on his deal and may be of use. Leone I think will be ok, he’s just been bit by the homer bug. His K and BB numbers look good. Cecil was kind of called out by Mo yesterday. That doesn’t sound good for him at all. He may be a change of scenery piece at the seasons end with the Cards eating some salary if he doesn’t turn it around.

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    Holland activated. Bowman to the DL with… more blisters…

    Cardinals Activate Reliever Greg Holland

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    those blisters caused that wicked line drive to Ozuna

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    You could tell Bowman had some issues last night. He kept blowing on his fingers.

    Good to at least drop one of our couple worst relievers even if we’re stuck bringing back perhaps the worst.

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    Holland pitched well last night. Is there hope he can continue this? It all starts with throwing strikes, which he did.

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    Holland, IMO, has hurt us more than his -0.8 WAR implies. I consider him the difference between winning the division and fighting for a WC slot. If he rebounds and earns his pay, I think we will win the division.

    Trade Weaver for Machado. I don’t have confidence in Weaver. Especially given the emergence of some of our other prospective starting pitchers. He’s a speed bump in their development.

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    I dont think we can move Weaver with Wacha going down….especially if an oblique… as those can come back and be re aggravated so moving Weaver after Wacha is back might be spreading our SP depth too thin…unless of course Hudson comes up and sets the world on fire in Wacha’s spot whiel he is out if that happens)

    Also…the way Weaver looked early shoudl make us be patient…he has all the stuff and is still young too..i dont think you give up on his career after a rough month for a couple months of Machado

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    The best case for Holland is to become good enough to be the “closer” that Matheny goes to. That leaves Hicks/Norris for the 7th/8th and moves Gomber, Cecil, Tui, Brebbia, Mayers to spot or long men. Things will get complicated when and if Waino and Leone return, although the way our rotation is going , Waino may be needed as a starter by then.

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    IMO, Weaver’s future is the bullpen. Yes, he has stuff. But it seems to become hit-able the second time it’s seen. I feel that he has a 100-120 IP limit as an effective pitcher. Compare his development to Flaherty’s if you will.

    Too much for a small sample of Machado-perhaps. Let’s get an O’s prospect added. But I feel better about Hudson, Poncedeleon and Gomber than I do Weaver. Helsley (SP?), …I have no opinion at this time except I’m thrilled he’s in our system. Ditto Gant. Weaver is not too far removed from his max trade value (IMO) so let’s move him before he loses his starting slot to another of our prospects as Wacha’s injury provides auditions for some of our other prospects.

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    MCF, what would your starting rotation be if Wacha is out for a good while, Mikolas and bring up Memphis rotation? I never thought that bringing Wainwright back would become a good option.

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    Hudson, Gomber or Poncedeleon. Pick two. And there is still Gant and Mayers. We don’t lack for legit options. If we didn’t have so many, I’d be more patient regarding Weaver’s mediocre-AAAA performances in the middle of the season. I feel that I’ve seen this previously and, w/o an extended break, his slide will continue.

    Answering your question–M.o.L, yes. I feel like Weaver is tracking his performance pattern of being less effective as the grind wears him down.

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    Per reports on ESPN the Greg Holland era will be officially over.

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    When our FO signed Holland, I thought it was a gift from Above. I thought we were getting one of the best closers in the game and the final piece of a lock down BP. I thought Boras was doing us a favor by letting us have him.

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    I heard this morning that the Nationals might be interested in signing Holland. That would make sense since half of their roster are Boras clients.

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    The agreement certainly isn’t money. It must be role and innings.

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    This is the kind of bad signing that just keeps kicking you in the midsection.

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    Screw Boras and his client! Dude’s fastball is hittable and that’s what doomed him. Guy should’ve never been signed! The oddness just didn’t seem right.

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    The F.O. panicked at the last possible moment and thought that Holland would be their savior after screwing up with Gregerson, Cecil and Leone. How much efficiency came out of these four? How much did they help this team?

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    Holland had his first appearance with the Nats in a game they were up 7-2. He walked the first batter and then struck out three in a row.

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