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    Knowing what we know now about our minor league players, who do the Cards protect that are eligible for the Rule 5 draft this December? With the Rule 5 being cancelled last year, more players will be available this year and could be a more active draft. Very interested in your thoughts on who will be protected and who will be left off and available.

    I’ll start with a few potentials to be protected:
    Paniagua
    Thomas
    Baker
    Dunn
    Gomez
    Pinder?

    #194663
    Brian Walton
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    No top 10 prospects in the system that are no brainers. I would also add Julio Rodriguez to that list to be considered.

    For reference, last year’s additions were Donovan, Walsh and Pacheco. (Yepez was added a month early.)

    Among those passed over were Plummer (who left the org), Baker, Perez, Robertson, Torres, Rodriguez, etc.

    Note that hitters are a more difficult Rule 5 pick to remain with their claiming team all season while pitchers can be buried in a bullpen. Therefore, teams may protect more pitchers than hitters who are on the bubble.

    #194664
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    I dont consider Baker and Dunn realistic candidates.

    I add Rodriguez tô your list. He is OPSing around .850 and lost tô minor league FA if not added.

    Cards have tô decide what tô do with Perez. OPSing .800+ in AAA só far. They probably need an infielder with options só they probably either keeps Robertson or add Perez.

    Right now I think Gomez is the only near sure add.

    #194666
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    Paniagua has to be added. We can’t let the Padres try to restock their system by taking our guys and ruining them again.

    #194669
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    I believe Del Perez can be a free agent if not added this year. I agree with you CC, that either he or Robertson will need to be kept unless they make other additions in the offseason. Might be some interesting players available from other teams via Rule 5!

    #194670
    Brian Walton
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    Or they could just get another Spangenberg…

    #194671
    CariocaCardinal
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    Well Spangenberg didnt actually set Memphis on fire as well as not being a middle infielder. But the real problem is if called up would then need a 40 msn roster spot. If played well during the injured player’s IL stint would probably not pass through waivers if sent back down. Doable but not ideal.

    #194672
    Brian Walton
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    Agreed. Depends on who they might get and how they want to manage the 40-man. A lot of moving parts to consider.

    (Spangenberg has played almost 1200 innings over parts of six seasons in the majors as a second baseman.)

    #194673
    CariocaCardinal
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    Without any DFA’s we really only have two spots

    FA’s
    Wainwright
    Quitana
    Dickerson
    Pujols
    Molina
    McFarland

    But 3 guys off the 60 day IL
    Flaherty
    Reyes
    Ver Hagen
    + a spot tô re-sign Waino only leaves two spots.

    Possible DFA candidates
    Capel
    Robertson
    Ver Hagen
    Romero
    Stratton (non tender)

    #194678
    Cardinals27
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    Paniaugua, Thomas, and Gomez make the most sense. I’d be on the fence about Pinder, although I’d like to see him moved up to AAA. And as was noted above, there are many DFA and non tender candidates.

    #194680
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    I like Thomas but can he contribute all year tô a big league team next year? I dont see his ceiling as high enough someone would stash him as a 13th pitcher just for mop up. I dont ser him contributing in STL next year. Would like tô keeps him but wont cry if we lose him and I really doubt he sticks somewhere all next year

    #194687
    Cardinals27
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    I like Thomas’ stats versus lefties. 36.1 innings, 35 hits allowed, 2 walks and 42 Ks. I think some team would draft him. He almost made the big club out of spring training. He’s much better than McFarland.

    #194688
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    Paniagua is one I’m worried about, a team like the Reds, Pirates, etc would love him in mop up duty.

    #194690
    Cardinals27
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    I think Paniauguas addition is damn near a lock.

    #194691
    14NyquisT
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    C-27 I agree with that.

    #194694
    gscottar
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    Carioca wrote:

    Possible DFA candidates
    Capel
    Robertson
    Ver Hagen
    Romero
    Stratton (non tender)

    There are 3 million reasons why VerHagen will almost certainly be back on the 40 man roster.

    #194704
    Cardinals27
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    Verhagen will likely be back. The only hope we have is that his injury was why he was terrible. Romero has options, so I doubt he is DFAd.

    #194715
    blingboy
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    Is there an example of an A level pitcher taken in Rule 5 and sticking on the MLB roster all year?

    #194716
    Cardinals27
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    I can only remember Luis Perdomo being taken by the Padres from the Cards. I believe he stayed all year. But he was not successful, and is on the Brewers DL.

    #194717
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    bling, the Cardinals had Luis Perdomo selected by the Colorado Rockies after the 2015 season. He had never pitched above A+ ball and spent the entire 2016 season with the San Diego Padres in their bullpen. The Padres purchased Perdomo on the same day the Rockies selected him in the rule V draft.

    EDIT. 27, you beat me to the point while I was typing.

    #194718
    Cardinals27
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    In fact, I was thinking the Cards had 2 Luis Perdomos that were picked up in Rule 5 drafts. I can’t remember the details on. LP2, though?

    #194722
    blingboy
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    Thanks for the info. I agree it will be interesting to see what happens.

    It stands to reason that with all 30 organizations having fewer MiLB roster slots, and having to move players up to clear space in the lower rosters, there should be AAAA types loose and to be had as we head into spring. So there wouldn’t be a need to carry that type player on the 40 man into the off season. It seems like there were people to be had this past spring.

    #194723
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    I did some quick research. In 2008 the Cardinals traded Anthony Reyes to Cleveland for a Luis Perdomo. He was subsequently taken in Rule 5 that December by San Fran. He got in a few MLB innings with San Diego and Minnesota.

    #194757
    Brian Walton
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    The two Luis Perdomos are cousins. The first one was lost to San Francisco in the 2008 Rule 5. The second went to the Padres in 2015. Both were in the Major League Phase. Neither was returned to the Cardinals.

    (See Page 247-251 in The Cardinal Nation’s 2022 Prospect Guide for the organization’s Rule 5 history!)

    #194849
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    Another name to consider keeping around is Parsons. Putting up decent numbers this year. He will be attractive to pitching needy teams.

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