August 10, 2020 at 1:26 pm #134865gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
Does the fact that Lane Thomas is now a positive brighten up the chance of Dylan Carlson moving up?
At this point I would say there is only a 25% chance we see Carlson this year. O’Neill, Bader, and Fowler would really have to stink it up plus by the time the Cardinals play again Thomas may be recovered from the virus.August 10, 2020 at 1:30 pm #134866LoganAlpha30X7ParticipantFree
Or we could just have Thomas Lane go out there and play and see if anybody notices…okay bad attempt at humor…anyway though yeah by the time that we play again he could be all better…August 10, 2020 at 1:46 pm #134867
…….unless they’re willing to install Dylan as a permanent starter in CF or RF, it would be a waste.
I don’t see it as a waste as all he is doing at Springfield is practice, practice, practice every day. A little game experience (if we can ever get that far) would not be bad. ONeil or Fowler can take CF if Bader is not improving and let Carlson get time in left field.August 10, 2020 at 2:53 pm #134868
MM3’s scenario assumes the Cardinals are ready to sit one of their starting outfielders. I think the opposite may occur. If anything, the shutdown could give the starters more time since everyone has to reset to zero.August 10, 2020 at 2:57 pm #134870
One day in a row is a start…
(Hoping in his extended interview that Derrick asked Manfred exactly how many days of negative tests will be considered by MLB to be good enough for the team to resume.)
#stlcards did not have any new positives from their Sunday tests, according to multiple sources. Monday tests ongoing. More than two consecutive days of that will be required before they can regather, step back into season. More here: https://t.co/Low805K4jy @stltoday #MLB
— Derrick S. Goold (@dgoold) August 10, 2020August 10, 2020 at 3:03 pm #134871
This is a “national” baseball writer who doesn’t even know what a taxi squad is. His proposal offers no explanation of the roster rule changes that would be required to make his concept possible. The lack of competitiveness of the replacement team would make these games a sham. If that is the only option, it would be better to just forfeit the games.
My bottom line: A really dumb rant.
in case you missed it, I'm calling for MLB to send the Cardinals taxi squad on the road https://t.co/BmPhG2Dlja
— Matt Snyder (@MattSnyderCBS) August 10, 2020August 10, 2020 at 5:04 pm #134877
In related news, still no comment from “Casino confirmed” Jon Heyman…
"The bars and stuff… the casinos we heard… the strip clubs or whatever… that did NOT happen."#STLCards veteran Adam Wainwright joined @Frank_Cusumano on his radio show today to talk about the rumors of how COVID-19 infiltrated the clubhouse.
Some strong words from Waino. pic.twitter.com/yohcMw2KBv
— Corey Miller (@corey_miller5) August 10, 2020August 10, 2020 at 6:38 pm #134881blingboyParticipantPaid - Annual
It is very Adam-like to step up and defend his teammates. Even the ones he barely knows.August 10, 2020 at 7:01 pm #134882
MM3’s scenario assumes the Cardinals are ready to sit one of their starting outfielders.
Bingo. I was just thinking that in my lowly respected estimation that a certain CF named Bader in his 5 games has contributed little to the offensive effort. If Thomas is down for a bit and he is the normal sub, I was just thinking that it may be the way for Carlson to make his move.
Saw on the crawl below the game on ESPN now that even our Detroit doubleheader on Thursday has been postponed. No surprise as it shows the are going for the full cure this time. Looking at the Philly/Braves blowout on now and if one guy in that dugout gets the bug the whole bunch are going down. Few masks on dugout players.August 10, 2020 at 7:07 pm #134883
Cleveland Indians pitcher Mike Clevinger went out with teammate Zach Plesac in Chicago on Saturday night in violation of team protocol, sources tell ESPN. Clevinger was scratched from his scheduled start Tuesday against the Cubs and will quarantine. He flew with the team Sunday.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) August 10, 2020
Clevinger should get a double digit suspension. He put his team and their season at risk. He lied about it putting all of his teammates at risk including one less than a year removed from cancer. At best he was thoughtless at worst he didn't care.
— Jeffmlbdraft (@jeffMLBdraft) August 11, 2020
(Jeff Ellis follows the Indians and used to be Scout’s draft expert.)August 10, 2020 at 7:44 pm #134884
bling, where is the evidence that the Cardinals were out? Why would Cardinals leaders excuse behavior that if true, recklessly put the entire season in jeopardy?
I get that Adam is a positive person, sometimes to a fault. I get why Cubs fans would ignore the facts and assume the worst, but it is disappointing to see Cardinals fans imply guilt based on the information on the table.
Wainwright said what happened was due to an “honest mistake”. Are you suggesting that he and the other players don’t know what it was or that Wainwright is lying (as well as Mo and Shildt earlier)? If so, why?
So the Indians suspend their guys who went out on the town while the Cardinals players and management together undertake a massive cover-up to defend theirs?
Did I misunderstand?August 11, 2020 at 5:05 am #134887blingboyParticipantPaid - Annual
I do not suggest a cover up, only that it should be taken with a grain of salt. Adam said what he said because he is a leader and a stand up guy. There are some, many?, among the 17 he barely knows. But it is his role to express confidence in them.August 11, 2020 at 7:07 am #134888
In the contact tracing, the Cardinals interviewed every single person in the traveling party, and others too. They pinned down how they think the outbreak started. If you don’t think all the players know the details, too, then you don’t understand how close an MLB team is.
But since you don’t seem to believe that, please tell us what you think happened. Thanks.August 11, 2020 at 8:08 am #134900
In this NY Times article, MLB’s top doctor explains how they are trying to finesse past any hard guidelines to shut teams down.
My interpretation is that they are doing a risk assessment of how much of the 14-day quarantine recommendation they can shave off each outbreak, with the goal to get back playing ASAP. If safely was really no. 1, it would 14 days always.
When the Cardinals say they are now “erring on the side of caution”, all it means is they will be going longer than two consecutive days of no positive tests. How much longer is TBD.
And again, days since last exposure and days since last positive test are not the same. Zero discussion of the risk inherent in long incubation periods.
“There are guidelines that we have, but they’re just guidelines,” Dr. Gary Green, M.L.B.’s medical director, said in an interview Monday. “We have to look at the totality of the situation — where the cases are coming from, the number of cases. I don’t think you can say that this is going to be the way we approach everything. It’s so individual. What the contact tracing is like? What does the spread pattern looks like? It’s going to be on a case-by-case basis going forward.”August 11, 2020 at 8:21 am #134901
And this from Goold’s conversation with Manfred.
The Cardinals continued their daily testing Monday, and Manfred outlined how the team must have “multiple days of clean tests” before baseball will clear the club to regather after a second quarantine in 12 days.
No one is saying how many days is enough – because they don’t know. They are going to take an educated guess and hope there is not a third shutdown.August 11, 2020 at 8:26 am #134902
In the above article, Goold also shared some info about the source of the outbreak, which FWIW is consistent with the rumor I heard. (And no, I am not going to provide specifics. But Wainwright’s “honest mistake” is how it is being viewed by the team.)
The Cardinals have traced the initial exposure to at least one player coming in contact with a known associate who was asymptomatic. Once the virus was inside the clubhouse, it spread.August 11, 2020 at 9:13 am #134903
They pinned down how they think the outbreak started.
I don’t care how others here think it started. I would like to hear the Cardinals story though even if they don’t use names and just refer to the players as Player 1, Player 2, etc.August 11, 2020 at 9:24 am #134905
MM3, I asked bling a very specific question. That is ok if you don’t care about the answer. I do or I would not have asked.
To your wish, let me play Devil’s Advocate. Why do the Cardinals owe anyone that level of explanation? What benefit would it provide to anyone? Mo already said he wouldn’t. The reason is there are many, many people out there ready to hop onto COVID-shaming, blaming people for catching the virus in the middle of a pandemic. That you personally might be responsible in how you deal with any information provided would probably put you in a minority.
Maybe at some point down the line, the player or players who made the “honest mistake” will talk about the circumstances. In the meantime, speculation about it helps no one. I get that some people think they need to know everything, but that isn’t the way it is.August 11, 2020 at 9:57 am #134909gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
This is a quote from Manfred in the Goold article. Does he really know how the 40 man roster works? If so, is he prepared to give the Cardinals a waiver on exposing 40 man players to waivers?
“We are aware that after there is a layoff of a certain amount of time, that you’ve got to get people a couple of workouts before they’re ready to be back,” Manfred said. “And they have 30 extra players who are not shut down so that’s another way to manage. That’s why we have them. It’s another way to manage that legitimate risk.”August 11, 2020 at 10:14 am #134912
Brian – are you having a bad day or something? You tore into me about something that was not intended. Maybe I phrased it wrong but we have had more than a few opinions on here as to how it started and, as I said, I really don’t care about other’s opinions when I see that the Cardinals have an idea of how it started. If you think that an incident takes down a team for an extended period of time and their fans are not supposed to care then that is your opinion. I do care and instead of hearing a lot of BS being spread the only possible answer that matters, that of the organization that has all the facts, is the one that I would like to hear. It sounds like you feel fans only should be interested in things that are selected by the organization to put out.
I think I myself need a 14 day virus quarantine from TCN. Might be a good time to start.August 11, 2020 at 10:30 am #134914
MM3, don’t run off. I am just passionate about this mess. No real baseball to discuss. Let’s keep talking. Disagreement is to be expected, but it remains respectful…
To your point, it is only natural to want to know the details what happened. We now do – to an extent – but there are also matters of personal privacy to consider. Like most things in life, it is a matter of striking the right balance point – but what you and I see as “right” may be different.August 11, 2020 at 10:53 am #134915
gscottar, you raise an excellent point on the rosters. My view is that Manfred was brushing off the matter. And those who don’t understand how rosters work are saying the same thing all over social media. (“They have a whole ‘nother 30 players ready. Just bring them up and keep playing,” they cry!)
What I wish is that Goold, who certainly knew what the follow on question should have been, had asked it. I also wished he had asked about the outbreak risk assumed by MLB using only consecutive days of positive tests rather than incubation period.
Having said that, I am not being critical of Derrick in any way. In the heat of questioning, we often wish later we had asked something else or differently. Or maybe he did not want to press Manfred hard. After all, that he was even able to get Manfred to talk was fairly amazing in itself. His profile has remained exceptionally low since the labor battles diminished. Derrick got a lot of good info and I applaud him for doing it.August 11, 2020 at 11:59 am #134918
After thinking about it some more, I wonder how extensive roster rules can be changed without agreement of the players? Then again, if it means more roster spots, they would probably welcome it. On the other hand, I am less sure about the other owners. Are they going to agree to changes that would help the Cardinals, but potentially cost each of them more money? Or would they approve create special rules just for clubs with a COVID outbreak? Not sure what the process would be for this…August 11, 2020 at 12:03 pm #134919
This offers another data point that I bet the Cardinals are keeping an eye on.
Update on the Marlins on the mend. Many of the 18 players out are feeling much better. None of them have tested negative for the virus twice. That MUST happen before a quick rehab in Jupiter. Looks like next week is now more realistic, although uncertain.
— Craig Mish (@CraigMish) August 11, 2020August 11, 2020 at 12:14 pm #134920
To the above post, the Ops Manual says these must all be satisfied before a player can return:
– 2 negative tests at least 24 hours apart
– No fever for the last 72 hours without using a fever suppressant
– Complete an antibody test
– Permission from team physician after a cardiac evaluation
– The physician indicates they are no longer at risk to infect others
– All local regulations are satisfied
So, the two tests are necessary, but not sufficient…
The first Cardinals to go through this could be Molina, DeJong, Sosa, etc…
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