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How many people show up for HOF weekend? 10K to 15K? That’s quit a bit of people in a town less than 2K in population. Still doesn’t come close to Strugis, SD during the rally week.
CC asked:
Anyone who was with the Cardinals longer than Simmons during the 68-81 World Series drought? Any one else even close?
Fun question, but painful years to remember.
Simmons: 13 years
Brock: 12 years
Hernandez, Hungo, Forsch, Gibson, Reitz: 8 yearsBHC asked:
How many people show up for HOF weekend?
From the Hall of Fame: “In 2007, an estimated 82,000 fans packed Cooperstown, honoring the Hall of Fame induction of Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn and setting a Hall of Fame Weekend attendance record… Following 2007, the next largest estimated crowds for Hall of Fame Induction Ceremonies: 55,000 (2019); 53,000 (2018); 50,000 (1999); 50,000 2016; 48,000 (2014); 45,000 (2015); 40,000 (1995); 27,500 (2017); 27,000 (2001 and 2005); and 25,000 (2000).”
Given the proximity to the core of the Yankees fan base, 2020 may set a new record.
FWIW, I am pretty sure the HOF attendees do not take advantage of campgrounds as much as the Sturgis crowd does…
im so happy ted got in. well deserved in my opinion. I hated him being traded back in the day. he was the first individual player that I was a real fan of. while I wouldn’t really want to be there in that small town with all the craziness of the ceremonies, I wouldn’t mind getting back there again one day to see his plaque.
Simba looks so darn old. It was a real shock to see his face after all of these years. And as far as Kenny Reitz goes, yeah, I’d enshrine him into the Redbird HoF. After all, they even named a cracker after the guy. He’s in some pretty fair company there, as the only other baseball players to have a food item named after them are The Bambino (Baby Ruth bar) and Henry Aaron (Oh Henry bar).
yea Pugsley, I wouldn’t mind seeing reitz and herr in the cardinals hall. I stiil believe tudor deserves to be there.
The good news is that enough fans agree with you, they will get voted into the Cardinals Hall of Fame. That hasn’t happened yet, though.
I don’t know brian. as time goes on, some of these older guys get forgotten. the younger crowd has zero knowledge of these guys, kind of like me with guys from early seventies in back. I know the stars and the regular hall of famers but some of the other guys I don’t know since its something where you had to be there then. if I hadn’t seen ray Lankford play, looking at his numbers I might not have thought he should be there. and I think its even harder with pitchers. just look at tudor. his overall numbers you would say no way but if you were watching him pitch back then, you would say heck yea. at least there is a committee that looks at some of the older players like they did with mort cooper.
This may have been taken during the 1981 strike…
New Hall of Famer Ted Simmons taking some batting practice, with an aluminum bat, in all star pants, at a random ball field, against a shirtless Bob Forsch, in short shorts…. pic.twitter.com/e8nAwYG7pl
— Sports Days Past (@SportsDaysPast) December 12, 2019
Whoa, that is something. Not sure I would be pitching to Ted without much on. he might just line one back at you. Interesting that Simba is hitting righty there, although I remember Teddy was a much better hitter lefty early in his career. He had to work on building the strength in his right arm and get better from the right side. So he is probably doing just that.
Man, you combine what talent the Cardinals kept in the ‘70s, with a rotation that featured Carlton, Torrez and Reuss, and there would have been two Big Red Machines battling it out in the NLCS most every year.
That is why, despite him keeping the team in St. Louis and helping to make them what they are, that I have never been a strong Gussie Busch supporter. He made so many player mistakes that it clearly hurt the franchise. That was only interrupted when he hired a strong enough personality in Whitey Herzog that the team was finally run right, but eventually, even Whitey gave up. The 70’s would not have had to be so dark.
Under his ownership, the Cardinals made one of the worst trades in MLB history after the 19722 season when they traded Stever Carlton for Rick Wise.
Gussie stepped up and saved the franchise amidst rumors of the club being moved to Milwaukee. But he was too emotionally involved in the running of the ball club. If he was upset with spoke one he would have them fired, or traded in the case of a player, not understanding that the consequences are a lot different than letting go of a brewery employee.
He did some good things obviously, as the club won six pennants during his ownership tenure. He set up Roger Maris with a career after baseball. But he needed the baseball men to stand up to him if they felt a player could be real good, despite the fact that Gussie did not like the way he dressed or wore his hair.
well I was young and didn’t really know the business side of things back then but im personally more a fan of how things were back then than how they are now. I have the internet now and can see all these things happening in real time so it does make a difference. plus if the owner wanted you to act a certain way to reflect the team, I have zero problems without that. to me getting to play sports for a living is a privilege not something to be taken for granted.
On one hand, I applaud Hall of Fame voters who explain their ballots. On the other hand, it exposes those who lack the competency to hold such a privilege. Take this sportswriter from Worcester, Mass. His decision for his final vote was Larry Walker or not. This American League writer admits he doesn’t know National League players well, so instead of researching the candidates, he did not vote for Walker because he played in many fewer playoff games than Chipper Jones. That is his explanation. I am guessing that Mike Trout will one day have no chance with this guy. He’d probably throw Ernie Banks out of the Hall if he could…
— Ryan Thibodaux (@NotMrTibbs) December 14, 2019
Lazy HOF voters like Bill should have their votes stripped. Jesus, there’s a thing called the internet and there are dozens of baseball websites that post career stats, advanced stats, metrics, etc. to help inform you of your vote. To be so flippant is gross negligence of your responsibility. Its lazy writers like Bill that show the HOF voting process is broken.
The worst part about it is that there is still plenty of time to do the work to cast an informed ballot. So far, three of 25 made public are concerning (the other two are the Jeter-only ones).
Besides Jeter… Schilling, Rolen & Walker should all make it. All have over a 70 WAR…Schilling almost 80.
Very encouraging start for Walker…
With 35 ballots revealed/~8.5% of the vote known:
Jeter – 100%
Walker – 82.9%
Schilling – 80%
Bonds – 77.1%
Clemens – 77.1%
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Vizquel – 51.4%
Ramirez – 42.9%
Rolen/Kent – 37.1%
Helton – 34.3%
Wagner – 25.7%
Sheffield – 22.9%
Pettitte/Sosa – 20%
Tracker: https://t.co/bp1RXBnrHI— Ryan Thibodaux (@NotMrTibbs) December 17, 2019
to me I would vote for vizquel among others. I know offense is important but I still view baseball as positions which is why I wouldn’t vote for a designated hitter. during my time watching baseball, ozzie smith is the best shortstop I have ever seen. vizquel was just the slightest bit behind him, a hall of fame shortstop if there ever was one. no problem with jeter getting in I really liked him but vizquel was miles better defensively.
Good news. Simmons will have a Cardinals logo on his cap on his Hall of Fame plaque. As it should be…
An educated assessment of Larry Walker’s chance based on current votes disclosed.
If he needs a ~45% overall flip rate to reach 75% and election, his supporters will want to see his flip rate stay above 50% through the announcement of the results on 1/21. We do have a couple of unofficial +1s from partial ballots.
tl;dr: so far, so good.
— Ryan Thibodaux (@NotMrTibbs) December 20, 2019
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