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    I’m quite fine with that scenario, Nigel. I’d love to see Gant draw more of a market with another consistent start to season than lose him for next to nothing due to him lacking an option. He was pretty much great last year for what we asked of him.

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    How can a guy not work out in the off season to strengthen his arm and come into ST with the same problem he had at the end of last season? Mystifying.

    Because he’s an immature and stubborn jerk that’s why! Dude already has his money so he can go out and have fun and not care about anything. Even the arm he lives by.

    I mean how much more do we need to see. They want him out in the bullpen because they want him and is behavior away from others. They know he’s talented but he’s got a 10 cent head. Getting real sick of defending this head case!

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    Doesn’t sound to me that you are defending him at all.

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    If CMart winds up being our closer and racks up 40-50 saves, all will be forgiven. He has the potential to do that until proven otherwise.

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    CMart ending up with 40-50 saves?I wonder if he will even pitch 40-50 innings.

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    Am I the only one concerned about all of his walks? About the fact that after six seasons in the big leagues he still walks a lot of batters?

    AND PEOPLE WANT HIM IN THE GAME IN THE LATE INNINGS WHEN THE GAME IS ON THE LINE?????

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    He had the entire off season to strengthen his arm through excercizes. Why didn’t he do it?

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    I find it disturbing that so many people over simplify the idea of strengthening an inflamed shoulder period. Then you bring in the context of differentiating between types of pain.
    Look at his time and money contributions to multiple communities and compare them to your own before using adjectives with visceral.

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    Ratsbuddy,
    If we’re to be overly concerned about Carlos walks, what about Hicks? Should neither pitch late innings with the game on the line?

    Miller had a higher WHIP last season than Carlos. Should we ban all three from save situations?

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    jj-cf-stl,

    I agree. I am scared sh~tless about having BOTH Hicks and Martinez in the bullpen for late inning situations. They walk too many batters. Its my understanding Miller was injured slightly so I hope that attributes to his issue.

    Geez, this could be Rosenthal all over again…….

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    How much time did Hicks have at AA and AAA?

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    Relievers walk more guys, K more guys and give up fewer hits and runs. It goes with the turf. I’m ok so long as he stays around the low 3s in BB/9 where he was most of his career rather than the big spike last year, which was probably injury-related.

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    I find it disturbing that so many people over simplify the idea of strengthening an inflamed shoulder period. Then you bring in the context of differentiating between types of pain.

    It’s kind of mind-blowing how clueless everyone acts each time someone pops up with an injury as if there was a clear and obvious path to avoiding said injury and the players, whether it be Wainwright, Martinez, Reyes, or Ozuna, always chose to wrong path.

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    Another thing that is mind blowing is when the team gives the players specific instructions on how to conduct the offseason but the player basically gives the team the middle finger and says “no thanks I will do it my way.”

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    Not much news on Carlos’ rehab, and future role. The longer he stays out it seems the more likely he’ll be in the bullpen. Since he hasn’t even rehabbed yet I assume he could be put on the 60 day IL until he comes back. I also am not sure what they will do when they activate Gregerson, which probably will be soon.

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    In our Weekly Notebook posted this AM, crdswmn noted that Martinez threw a 20-pitch pen session three days ago. So there is clear progress. Unless there is a setback (and they need his roster spot for someone else), I highly doubt he will go on the 60-day DL.

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    Then Carlos’ next step is a rehab assignment.

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    Unless they intend on ramping him up, it seems like he’s headed for the bullpen?

    It should be interesting to see how they manage the pen, as guys like Leone and Brebbia who have options and are pitching well might get sent down for players like Gregerson and Cecil, when healthy, who are most likely inferior pitchers. Or perhaps like most years, the injury bug will sort it out.

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    As I noted on another thread, likely Gallegos will go for Gregerson. Cecil is not coming back for a long time. Martinez is far enough away still that as you note, someone else will probably be injured, making this quite possibly a non-issue.

    But even if a good reliever like Brebbia has to go down for Martinez, it probably would not last long. And one could make a strong argument that in this case, the better pitcher of the two would not be the one sent down.

    Still, if that happens, a vocal minority will cry to release Gregerson instead, no matter how he has pitched and with no foresight about the needed depth to get through a full season. Optimizing a roster if done right is not done on an each day basis. Sometimes you give a little today to be better prepared for tomorrow and beyond.

    P.S. I forgot about Webb as another candidate to send down.

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    I think the best uses for Gregerson would be in low leverage, clean inning situations. Perhaps ideally, as a ROOGY.

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    That tells me that he’s broken. I realize they are trying to keep him out there, but at some point wouldn’t you have to think about a surgery to get him back to 100% eventually?

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    Or if the problem is chronic, this could be a career-altering situation. I’d like to understand more about the medical diagnosis, but we are told what they want us to know.

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    Unless there is a setback, it appears that Carlos would be returning soon. Who gets demoted? Gallegos possibly, although he has pitched well enough to stay. Leone could also be sent down.

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