February 19, 2019 at 9:37 am #82201
Mike Shildt on Carlos Martinez's shoulder, causing him to stop throwing for two weeks: "The structure of his shoulder is in amazing shape. We just need some of those little muscles…so we don't have an interruption like we did last year." #STLCards pic.twitter.com/Br6yRzCx2P
— FOX Sports Midwest (@FSMidwest) February 19, 2019February 19, 2019 at 9:41 am #82203
Yeah the most relevant part of this story:
Shildt says Cardinals are shifting Carlos Martinez to a no throw program for the next two weeks. His strength in the shoulder is not quite there yet, so they’re backing off him a bit. Shildt describes it as precautionary, says an MRI Mon. showed no structural difference from 2016
Is that his shoulder seems fine. It looks like Poncedeleon, Gomber, and Reyes will have a spot to fight over after all, at least to start the year.February 19, 2019 at 9:49 am #82204
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Does this make it more or less likely he goes to the pen or no difference?February 19, 2019 at 9:57 am #82208
Gah. Is there something to the Cards’ strength and conditioning program that sets them up to fail this way? Between obliques and lats, it seems like they’ve had an excess share of them the last couple years.February 19, 2019 at 10:14 am #82213
I thought he would be better in the pen. I think this will make it more likely he will be in the pen. Not sure what the long-term implications for his career may be.February 19, 2019 at 10:51 am #82217
Woops, wrote in the wrong thread. I can’t imagine they would leave Cmart in the bullpen for good. He’s got too much ability as a starter. But if they do stick him in the bullpen they will certainly lose out on that big contract they gave him.February 19, 2019 at 11:18 am #82221
Open question. In what role will his shoulder better bounce back if the problem is a chronic one?February 19, 2019 at 11:21 am #82222
ONe thing this does is clear the logjam that we had on the 25-man roster. With C-Mart and Gregerson most likely on the DL to start the year and the team going with 5 position players, we won’t have to release anyone now.February 19, 2019 at 12:04 pm #82230February 19, 2019 at 12:45 pm #82232
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Surprised Martinez still needs to use a translatorFebruary 19, 2019 at 1:01 pm #82237
He does not need to. His English is fine. But they offer the crutch so he uses it.February 19, 2019 at 3:34 pm #82246
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I wouldn`t plan on him being a factor early this season…maybe not at all.Plan like he is not going to be available….Be prepared.Its like the people who think Alex Reyes will jump in a pitch like he did before all his injury woes.With Wacha and his injury issues the Cards could possibly be down 3 SPs .Good thing the young arms are mostly still here.February 19, 2019 at 4:23 pm #82249
The injury histories of CMart, Waino, Wacha, and Reyes the Cards are counting on a lot of unproven guys to get massive amounts of innings this season.February 19, 2019 at 6:43 pm #82254
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The injury histories of CMart, Waino, Wacha, and Reyes the Cards are counting on a lot of unproven guys to get massive amounts of innings this season.
I don’t know if that is necessarily true, though. I bet if you gave Mozeliak truth serum, he would say the only one of those four he is expecting to be a major part of the team’s success this year is Martinez. Waino was given an incentive based contract, Wacha never seems to get through a year healthy, and Reyes’ season will be more about preparing him to be a key member of the rotation in 2020. I think Mozeliak is probably pretty comfortable he has the depth to weather most storms injury wise.February 19, 2019 at 6:54 pm #82256
well as usual, here we are in spring, some cardinal pitcher is having some injury problem. I definitely could see him being put in the bullpen because of it. doesn’t mean he will stay there but I see for the start of the season. I personally think the cards are over estimating their pitching strength. like with weaver last season, there no guarantee some of these young guys will be the same this season as they were last year. there are pitching aces out there, cardinals should take the dive since they obviously aren’t going for harper. they could then put wainwright in the pen where I think he could do really well.February 19, 2019 at 8:51 pm #82258
Cards exec John Mozeliak not totally thrilled with Carlos Martinez's winter training regimen: "Obviously, there’s a history with Carlos’ shoulder and it would be probably in everybody’s best interest if he maintained a constant or perpetual approach to that program."
— Mark Saxon (@markasaxon) February 19, 2019
John Mozeliak’s critique of Carlos’ program isn’t that he wasn’t working hard, but that he should have been erring more on the side of physical therapy rather than strength training. Issue is who is overseeing. Carlos has his guy.
— Mark Saxon (@markasaxon) February 19, 2019
Carlos Martinez on his right shoulder injury, which will set him back at least two weeks: "That’s why we’re taking this precaution right now. It’s why we made the decision to stop throwing, because I want to throw 200 innings and I know I can do it again."
— Mark Saxon (@markasaxon) February 19, 2019February 19, 2019 at 9:04 pm #82263
Its about time he lived up to expectations. Or at least got close to those expectations. If he doesn’t, with all of his goofy antics, I’d like to see him moved in July. Unless he has finally wised up and finally realizes Cardinal baseball is about serious, hard nosed, tough players and not goofs like the Martinez boys have been.
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Would you trade Carlos straight up for Kyle Hendricks, Rat?February 20, 2019 at 8:32 am #82285
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Wasn’t Martinez one of the starters without injury concerns? With the history of not getting accurate information from the organization on injuries, some fans will hear two weeks and think two months +. If the front office gets skittish and lands a starter from down on the list of those still available get ready for a long wait for Carlos to find his way back to the mound.February 20, 2019 at 8:42 am #82286
Ny, were not you aware that Martinez’ shoulder problems kept him from starting for the entire second half of 2018? It seems pretty clear that he did he own thing rehabbing this winter and the Cards are questioning where he put his focus. Ultimately, players are responsible for their own bodies.February 20, 2019 at 8:43 am #82287
The last time the #stlcards opened a season without a starting pitcher on the DL was way back in 2010. I look at the Carlos Martinez injury and team DL moves with pitchers from a bigger picture perspective. (free) https://t.co/53iunpk01E pic.twitter.com/kaFFz4ykfv
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) February 20, 2019February 20, 2019 at 9:29 am #82306
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I guess I should have clarified. Going into this season, Martinez is coming off his basically successful bullpen work in late 2018. My impression was that he is ready to go into 2018, healthy. Wacha, on the other hand has several seasons of injuries eating into his IPs. Wainwright is a larger question mark based on his age which is a major factor for that concern.February 20, 2019 at 11:41 am #82321
Kind of a shame that Mo has to keep having these public conversations about training programs for guys like Martinez and Ozuna. I get that they have their own trainers but is there any contact with the team trainers at all during the offseason?? You’d think they would be relatively on the same page.February 20, 2019 at 12:57 pm #82325
Exactly. It speaks more of his missing executive skills than it does of Martinez’ efforts.February 20, 2019 at 4:25 pm #82354
Plausible explanation for using an interpreter. Fear.
Carlos Martinez wanted to make sure that he used the right word, that he conveyed the right feeling when describing how it felt to pitch at times last season, so he asked in Spanish. He was 'afraid.' And now a similar weakness has returned: https://t.co/YCfqLKr0DW #cardinals #MLB
— Derrick Goold (@dgoold) February 20, 2019
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