Carlos Martinez in trouble again

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  • #149645
    bccran
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    Thank you for your kind words too, so cal cards fan.
    And best wishes to you and yours for a beautiful and joyous Holiday Season.

    #149657
    14NyquisT
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    There are four players the Cards should be over and out on. (Wainwright not one of them). But that’s not going to happen so its futile to complain. Anyway… if Mozeliak wanted to trade them he couldn’t get a glass of stiff egg nog for the whole bunch of them.

    In following up on bcc’s wishes… I also wish everyone here to have a wonderful Holiday season which has already started and will continue into 2021. There are very few things I’d rather read than the posts, comments and ideas expressed here. Thanks to all and have a very safe Yuletide. 14Ny.

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    Brian Walton
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    #149929
    gscottar
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    He looks like he has put on some weight.

    #149941
    Ratsbuddy
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    He allowed 7 hits over 3.1 innings???

    #150169
    bccran
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    Unreliable as a starter and the bull pen is full. Where do you see a role for him?

    #150171
    stlcard25
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    He’ll be in the starting rotation, most likely. Not sure what makes him unreliable as a starter unless you count a case of a deadly virus that hospitalized him against him.

    #150172
    bccran
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    Hasn’t started effectively since 2018. Season

    #150190
    Brian Walton
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    I get all the emotion surrounding Martinez. It is not unlike that which has swirled around Fowler and Carpenter. The result will be the same for all three heading into camp. Martinez will start until he either shows he shouldn’t or elevates his value such that his contract becomes tradeable (mid-season). All the rest is noise, IMO.

    #150193
    bccran
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    Are Carp and Fowler goof cases?

    #150200
    Brian Walton
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    It is about trying to maximize the return from your committed assets.

    #150204
    14NyquisT
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    I hear that Brian. The crux of the matter is that this maximization has lead to negative results.

    #150206
    Brian Walton
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    All I am saying is that I believe that Martinez will start until he proves he shouldn’t. If that happens in camp, then he goes to the pen to start the year. If not, then he pitches in the rotation, again until he proves he shouldn’t or is traded. I believe that is the most realistic scenario to open 2021. What happens by mid-season or the end of the season is anyone’s guess.

    #150208
    stlcard25
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    I hear that Brian. The crux of the matter is that this maximization has lead to negative results.

    Lol, what negative results? I suppose you mean 2020 when Carlos spent time in the hospital thanks to COVID?

    Apart from that, here’s the last 5 years of Carlos:

    2019: 4-2, 3.17 ERA, 24 saves
    2018: 8-6, 3.11 ERA, 5 saves
    2017: 12-11, 3.64 ERA, 205 IP
    2016: 16-9, 3.04 ERA, 195.1 IP
    2015: 14-7, 3.01 ERA, 179.2 IP

    I cannot fathom any argument that claims that those are negative results.

    #150211
    bccran
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    If there was a private message function on here, 25, you’d understand where I’m coming from.

    #150227
    stlcard25
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    Bc, I think it’s plain for everyone to see that Carlos isn’t the most mature person in the world (being an orphan will do that to you). I’ll say it also wouldn’t surprise me if Carlos isn’t that great a guy. But it’s very difficult to make a case that his on field results haven’t been very good, with the exception of his COVID-impacted 2020.

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    bccran
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    25 – In your opinion, did the virus affect Martinez more than all the other Cardinal players who contracted it?

    #150239
    stlcard25
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    25 – In your opinion, did the virus affect Martinez more than all the other Cardinal players who contracted it?

    Yes, unless I missed a story about other players ending up in the hospital with it.

    Most of the other players who got it cratered as well, fwiw.

    #150241
    Nigel T
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    Carlos has had a history of respiratory issues. It stands to reason he was hit harder.
    Carlos has a history of idiocy, too, but we shouldn’t discount his hard work and philanthropic endevres.
    Carlos is complex.

    #150242
    bccran
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    Did Molina crater?

    #150244
    stlcard25
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    Rather than go through every specific point, please read this article, bc. It was nearly universal that players who had COVID performed far worse than otherwise expected.

    https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2020/10/29/21537103/covid-19-impact-quantifying-2020-cardinals

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    Brian Walton
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    #153005
    Cardinals27
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    Martinez is having a good winter session. In fact, I hope Ortega and Martinez can continue their success into the regular season. I would hold onto Martinez until we see what health our starters have breaking camp in Spring Training. The better CMart pitches in the spring, the better his trade value would be.

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