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  • #118907
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    The St. Louis Cardinals are not trading for Nolan Arenado or Mookie Betts….. They just traded for one of the best LHSP’s in the minors and the future value that could come with that is not going to be thrown away.

    Any possible way to get rid of even half of Fowlers salary, I’m sure they are on board with.

    #118908
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    Any possible way to get rid of even half of Fowlers salary, I’m sure they are on board with.

    If the Cards were to eat $8M a year and signed Ozuna for $16M a year for 3-4 years, would you be ok with that?

    #118915
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    ST25, if they could dump Fowler and save 8, and then sign Ozuna for 2/32 (so that expires when Carps does) or 3/42 then I would be on board. I would not resign Ozuna without getting rid of Fowler first though.

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    Edgardo Rodriguez’s age 17 DSL season with a wrc+ of 147 was only slightly below Ivan Herrera’s 17 year old DSL season wrc+ of 155. Just sayin’.

    After Yadi gets his new 4 year $80M extension this spring Rodriguez should be ready to take over…. :o)

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    #118978
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    Fun photo…

    #118990
    14NyquisT
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    stlcard25:

    Ha! Jmart was one of my favorite personalities on the team and I’m glad he got paid a bit more considering his family/country’s plight, but I agree that watching him in the OF won’t be something I will miss.

    I also looked forward to watching JMart…. and also Arozarena. They added some spicy flavoring to the team.

    Liberatore is a major addition to the organization. In some strange way will he make up for the two picks we lost in ’17?

    #118993
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    I find it bizarre that many Card fans are suggesting that Fowler be traded.

    #118994
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    Mozeliak would be doing himself a big favor by complying.

    #119003
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    According to MLB.com (sorry)….. Liberatore = STL#3 prospect. Arozarena = TB#12 prospect.

    #119034
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    Predictions – Jose Martinez will become a rock star in the Tampa Bay Area. JMart and Arozarena will produce offense that exceeds what the Rays lost when they traded Pham.

    I’m okay with this trade. JMart was out of his Element playing in the NL, and some of the outfield depth needed to be moved. But, IMHO, the Rays won this trade, especially when you consider that this trade also moved the Rays up 40 slots in the 2020 draft. Too bad MO had to give them that, and too bad MO couldn’t get one of the Rays’ middle infielders in this deal. Still, it’s nice to have a pitcher like Liberatore in the system.

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    The Cardinals won this trade hands down getting a top LH pitcher and giving up excess outfielders.

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    Not realistic to declare any winners in any trade this fast – especially before anyone has even put on a new uniform.

    #119040
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    The Cardinals won this trade hands down

    Seems like it based on needs, but you you never know and you just jinxed it! Seems like danger dealing with the Rays, but maybe they’re due for a rough one.

    I read one scouting report that described Liberatore as a potential #3 starter. Seems inconsistent with other things that are being said.

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    I like the deal but there is no way to know who will come out ahead, or if it ends up even. Liberatore could go down the same road as Alex Reyes and have so many surgeries he gets off track. Arozarena could end up being a star.

    Then again maybe Liberatore becomes another Steve Carlton, only this time we don’t trade him. Time will tell.

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    No one can predict the future. I have seen Liberatore as a #2.

    #119056
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    WOW – the offenseless Cardinals have figured out how to solve that problem – trade away a known good offensive major leaguer and a rookie major leaguer who has promise of offensive power for a Class A left hand pitcher who may not make to the majors for two more years. Throw in a minor league catcher also to make it a sweet deal – not in my eyes but then we do each have our own opinions here. I truly hope this deal works out. While I am a big big JMart fan I will really miss him but have to think that he will get a better chance with the Rays. Pham did but I was happy to see Pham leave STL. Why did the Rays trade him if he was doing so good.

    Okay, I know that we have a flood of outfielders but I will I admit that I was hoping it would be the human windmill that would be traded – Tyler ONeil. So Anne Rogers is saying that Fowler and Bader have been assured of being starters next season plus we know Mo has given Carpenter his assurances of starting. Fowler may keep up his average but Bader has a ton of work to do offensively. Not sure of Ravelo’s status but perhaps he can take JMarts place with the bat. Also, I am still hoping that Yairo Munoz can be sent packing either on trade or to Memphis. He seems to have had his 15 minutes of fame and would be good trade bait as a utility infielder. I do want Ozuna to return – he is a known quantity and without that finger injury would have had a better season in my view.

    And that is my input to this fine gathering of baseball fans today. Kinda chilly in SW Missouri this am after a very wet night. Hope the snow prediction fails to come true.

    #119057
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    MM3, please share the link to the Anne Rogers story that says Bader has been assured of starting. I did not see it the first time and really want to read it. Thanks.

    #119058
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    <Anne Rogers wrote: The Cardinals have publicly committed to Dexter Fowler in right field and Harrison Bader in center entering the start of 2020, which left more than five players to compete in left field.>

    It is in the Libertore story on MLB Cards site today.

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    I hope they trade Fowler. I don’t believe this is a guarantee of anything.

    #119066
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    Here is the actual link to the story. Rogers cites it as fact, but it is not clear who said this and when. I am glad this came out before Winter Warm-Up as this is a point I am going to probe with Mo and Shildt when they meet with the media next weekend.

    The Cards were clearly not fully committed to Bader in the playoffs, so how did he earn the job back this winter? (He had 12 at-bats in the nine games, played in just one game from start to finish, started three, was a defensive replacement three times and did not appear at all in three other games.)

    I just cannot see the advantage of declaring a regular season starter with Bader shaky in 2019 and a bunch of viable candidates – before spring camp even begins. If it is truly written, I sure hope it is in pencil.

    https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rays-cardinals-trade

    #119068
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    Why did the Rays trade him if he was doing so good.

    Because the Padres offered them a really good prospect and Hunter Renfroe. On top of that they knew Renfroe would be cheaper to sign during arbitration than Pham. Tampa is a very shrewd organization.

    #119069
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    Re: Pham, the Rays also know that Pham will continue to go on short-term deals until free agency and then go for the money wherever it will be. He is not a player they would try to build their franchise around, as they did with Longoria, for example. Maybe it will be a homegrown player like Brandon Lowe, but every team, even the Rays, needs to have an identity. And constantly shuffling every player out when they even start to get expensive does not foster fan loyalty. You need to have a few core guys. Just my opinion…

    #119071
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    <Brian wrote: but every team, even the Rays, needs to have an identity. And constantly shuffling players out when they get expensive does not foster fan loyalty.>

    What fans?……..LOL

    #119074
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    The fans that Pham ripped publicly for not supporting the team… 😉

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