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  • #156253
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    Agree, BB. Just think, we’re going into the season with a rookie in centerfield, a left fielder who didn’t earn a start in the playoffs last season, and who knows in right field. Maybe even a journeyman first baseman.

    #156255
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    Agree, BB. Just think, we’re going into the season with a rookie in centerfield, a left fielder who didn’t earn any playing time in the playoffs last season, and who knows in right field.

    #156256
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    For a throwaway season (and one that will still probably result in a division title), there’s nothing wrong with that. If you end up proving you have three legit outfielders, your 2022 problem is solved. If not, then you trade for or sign a free agent outfielder. No need to get too bent out of shape over it. People were fooled into thinking the Cards were really going to “go for it” when the Arenado trade happened. Fact is, they are…in 2022. This year is about making money back from the loss of 2020 revenues.

    #156257
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    25 – Was hoping they would add an experienced outfielder from the outside this off season as insurance. Even a #4 guy who could step in if there was an injury. Kinda like Miller was last year for the infield. There were several available at bargain prices.

    #156258
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    Is Josh Reddick still available?

    #156259
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    Bc-Most of us know that “insurance” always comes at a net loss to a player that we may need to know about to make a decision on sooner than later. For every Miller signed, you lose an Arozarena or Voit (and to be fair, some other guys who have turned out to be nothing of a loss). Bader is a guy we know mostly what he’ll be. It sure would stink to end up trading O’Neill and have him hit 35+ HRs annually because we “needed” to sign one of these backup OF guys, wouldn’t it? Or for Lane Thomas, a major league minimum player, to be equal to a guy we pay multiple million a year to, thus taking from 2022 payroll.

    This team is not going to win or lose the World Series based on the presence or lack of a veteran OFer. It probably can’t win the World Series at all without some serious fortune in the injury/bounce back category. I’m fine with running it back with Carlson, O’Neill, Bader and Thomas so we can have a more certain idea what to do this off-season. Whether that is trading for a Nimmo or Haniger type or signing a Conforto, we will have at least some direction for Mo to point in the OF/DH group. The money will be there.

    #156260
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    The money will be there, but that doesn’t assure you are going to be able to sign the players you want in a competitive marketplace. The Cards MO is to not give long term contracts to outsiders. Plus some players have a geographical preference. And if you make a trade, you may be giving up someone who will blossom with another organization. I’d go for a short term signing like a Beltran or Berkman type. It worked before. It’s what’s needed now. I’m unwilling to concede the 2021 season. I still want to have a shot at the WS. And we’re only a piece or two away.

    #156261
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    This article describes just the sort of thing the Cardinals organization is geared to never let happen.

    https://redbirdrants.com/2021/03/24/st-louis-cardinals-john-nogowski/

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    The thing that still is bothersome is that Carpenter is still not producing (I know it is Spring training) but ONE hit ? Brian saying Carp hitting into hard luck? IMHO Caprp is still around simply because of his contract……I wonder how long aq lesh he gets into the season.Maybe he will wake up and show some signs of life tis next several games….

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    To be accurate, I did not say that Carpenter is hitting into hard luck. I reported what his manager and PBO said.

    #156264
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    I’d go for a short term signing like a Beltran or Berkman type. It worked before. It’s what’s needed now. I’m unwilling to concede the 2021 season. I still want to have a shot at the WS. And we’re only a piece or two away.

    None of those are available who will make a legit difference. As we’ve seen this spring, our best bet is for O’Neill and Carlson to hit like they have this spring and hope for the infield to carry things. It’s possible a deadline deal opens up to add that impact bat out there and then we could jump on it to improve the 2021 World Series chances while possibly bolstering 2022 as well.

    #156273
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    Hold your nose. Puig? Braun? Cespedes? Adams? Reddick?

    #156274
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    If the team was going to make a move, they would have already done so. Nothing has changed. The outfielders are still unproven until we see what they do during regular season. Oneil has had a great spring but that means nothing. Carlson has hit hit well in a couple of games, still means nothing. The others have been up and down. The team has said they are basically going to find out what they have there and make subtractions as needed. Maybe after midpoint of season I could see some moves being made but we will see.

    #156278
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    If things start going sideways, sure hope they make a move.
    We need to keep NA.

    #156279
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    Arenado is hitting. 190 this spring, which means little or nothing. We know what he is most likely to do based upon what he has done in the past, although it is possible he will do something else going forward. The same can be said for everyone else.

    #156282
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    Not a good idea to compare long time successful All Star type ball players to unproven youngsters. Even as far as ST stats.

    #156283
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    and who knows in right field. Maybe even a journeyman first baseman

    I didn’t think anyone in their right mind could even imagine Nogowski playing a single inning in right field. You are unique bc, the true unicorn of Cardinal forum fandom, either greatly gifted with a wildly inventive sense of humor and mordant wit, or perhaps a curmudgeonly depressing outlook on the Cardinal brass. Either way I enjoyed the spectacle you helped me imagine, but I think that left field in the 7th innning after batting in the top of the inning, trailing by 3+, will be the line in the sand for his ventures in the outfield.

    #156286
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    You’re right so cal. I kept O’Neill in left when I should have shifted him to RF, with Nogowski in left. If he brings a bat, he may become more of a starter type if they truly need that bat in the lineup almost everyday. Dean is another possibility. Light on defense, but a decent bat.

    Career at higher levels for Nogowski –

    AAA – 463 PAs/.295/.413/.476/.889
    AA – 611 PAs/.295/.380/.424/.804

    Gotta root for both of them. They’ve paid their dues and hung in there. Still living their dream.

    #156289
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    Totally agree bc. Nogowski is fun to watch. In the middle of the year, when the outfield competition is sorted out, or pitching is stable, and the Carpenter dilemma solved, I’d love to see him on the bench to PH. I’m thankful for 26.

    #156291
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    If a person doesn’t care for a person it might not be hate that I agree…but if that said person takes cheap shots and bases said player every change he gets it is hate plain and simple!

    #156294
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    Not “cheap shots” Onyxgem. Just an honest transparent opinion. We all have our opinions, don’t we?

    #156298
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    career 94 ops+ w/elite D in CF, that’s Bader AND Jackie Bradley Jr.

    2/24mil is what JBJ just signed for. For my money, Bader is CLEARLY the better defender.

    #156299
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    The net net of this OF competition is that out of the 5 competitors only two have the talent to be starting major league outfielders for a top tier major league team. That leaves a hole to be filled from the outside. Hopefully sooner than later.

    #156300
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    I take issue with that cranny. Bader hit .205 in 2019 which I do not consider MLB starter level talent. 4th OF, late inning defensive replacement level. As to the other in the OF competition, we won’t know for 2 or 3 months if they are starters or not. That includes Carlson. Dude hits .280 in Springfield and he’s a can’t miss MLB starter?

    #156313
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    It is cheap shots to take pokes at people and anybody with any common sense knows it, nothing about opinions. Those people that do that should talk about actual baseball stuff, if course you have to know something about the game to talk about that, might be hard for some.

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