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August 14, 2022 at 7:10 am #195441
Definitely a possibility. I was surprised Dickerson played last night if he was hurt badly enough to go on the IL, though. That seems questionable managing.
August 14, 2022 at 11:49 am #195473bccran
ParticipantCarlson and O’Neill batting 1-2 today with their OBPS?
August 14, 2022 at 12:15 pm #195475Other than Goldy, Arenado and Donovan slim pickings on high OBPs.
August 14, 2022 at 12:15 pm #195476Carlson and O’Neill both hit better against lefties. That is why they are hitting higher in the order today.
August 14, 2022 at 3:55 pm #195559bccran
ParticipantIs Nootbaar a mirage?
August 14, 2022 at 4:00 pm #195561He has been playing very well the last couple of weeks. Who knows how long it will last? Just have to ride the wave while you can. Looking at his history chances are he will cool off but he brings some energy to the team.
August 14, 2022 at 4:08 pm #195565bccran
ParticipantEnergy is easy when the production is there.
August 14, 2022 at 4:53 pm #195573gscottar said:
He has been playing very well the last couple of weeks.
Make that the last six to seven weeks. Since July 1, Nootbaar’s OPS is .979. That is higher than Goldy in that time, in fact second on the team to Arenado. But since it is perceived that Nootbaar is blocking Burleson, he is questioned daily.
August 14, 2022 at 5:11 pm #195575Very true Brian. It looks like Noot is going to be here awhile.
Carlson, O’Neill, Noot, Dickerson, Yepez, and Donovan are currently higher in the pecking order than Burly. It appears he will be waiting until next year unless they give him a September call up.
August 14, 2022 at 6:01 pm #195580Burly will get his shot in the Spring, when Dickerson is not here, and most likely Albert is starting the clock on his Hall of Fame announcement. The competition among the rest will be open.
Right now the roster is pretty well set for the next couple of months, with Yepez the first to be knocking at the door once he is playing again.
August 14, 2022 at 6:08 pm #195581Speaking of Yepez, he didn’t play today for Memphis as planned. That suggests he didn’t bounce back all the way from playing six innings in RF Saturday night. Perhaps he won’t be ready to be activated Tuesday, after all.
P.S. Either that, or they brought him back to StL early to be ready in case Dickerson had to go in the IL.
August 14, 2022 at 6:49 pm #195586Is Nootbaar a mirage?
That depends on the definition of mirage. O’Neill was well over .900 OPS for extended chunks of last season, and he’s low 600s this year. Carlson was close to .900 for chunks of 2021 and just under .700 now. Does that count as a mirage? Was Gorman a mirage when he OPSed under .700 for June and July?
We will know more about Noot, and Gorman too, by this time next year, but hopefully they keep him out there while he’s producing.
August 15, 2022 at 8:30 am #195635bccran
ParticipantIt’s not the end all, but look at the scouting reports of those Cardinals as they came through the system. Gorman, Carlson, and O’Neill were top 100. Edman was highly rated. Donovan so so. Nootbaar nowhere in sight.
August 15, 2022 at 9:45 am #195639Your recollection is off again.
Edman’s peak prospect ranking before graduating was no. 18 in 2019. Nootbaar ranked no. 10 the next year. Donovan was next that year, ranked no. 11 before he graduated.
Of course, Gorman and Carlson were higher ranked. They were first rounders and clearly are better players. So what?
The lengths you are going to cast doubt on Nootbaar is disappointing. Why not let it go, at least until he cools off?
August 15, 2022 at 9:51 am #195642bccran
ParticipantBecause we all have our opinions, Brian. Isn’t that what forums are all about to a certain extent?
August 15, 2022 at 9:53 am #195643You have expressed your opinion about Nootbaar repetitiously, sometimes with supporting points that are inaccurate. If one is in a discussion and lets them pass, then one implicitly accepts them. So when I see a comment I know is not correct, I will point it out.
August 15, 2022 at 9:54 am #195644If Nootbaar is currently preventing Burleson from getting called up then that means Noot is producing, which is good news for the Cardinals. And that is what we all want right?
August 15, 2022 at 10:58 am #195660bccran
ParticipantNootbaar –
Career in minors – .257/.345/.373/.718
At Memphis 2022 before callup – .222/.325/.476/.801Burleson –
Career in minors – .297/.349/.495/.844
At Memphis this season – .331/.374/.545/.919August 15, 2022 at 11:04 am #195661So the Cardinals should replace Noot with Burly NOW because of career minor league numbers even though Noot has been producing at a high level at the MLB level for the last six weeks?
That doesn’t seem like a good decision.
August 15, 2022 at 11:22 am #195666Bc, I think the better comparison would be their situations at the time they are added to the 40-man roster. Compare Noot in AAA in 2001 to Burleson at AAA in 2022. Also, the circumstances of why Nootbaar was called up in 2021 as compared to the current circumstances.
August 15, 2022 at 11:30 am #195668If you are John Mozeliak, in the middle of a tight division race, removes your starting RF who has been playing at a high level the last six weeks and replaces him with a guy who has never taken a big league AB, I would think some questions would be asked.
August 15, 2022 at 12:06 pm #195671bccran
ParticipantThat wasn’t the point, gscottar. The question is whether Nootbaar is for real based upon the way he’s hitting right now, based upon his historical stats. Sure he should be given every opportunity to continue unless he hits a serious slump.
Here are his monthly numbers with the Cardinals this season –
April – .125/.263/.125/.388
May – .091/.091/.091/.182
June – .167/.234/.357/
July – .317/.420/.610/1.030
August – .297/.391.460/.851Now, Brian says not to be concerned because Nootbaar has been “hot lately”. I show that he was 1-9 in the Milwaukee series. That may not be concerning to you but it may be to other posters.
August 15, 2022 at 12:14 pm #195673Certainly not a strong reason to bring Burly up now, as the guys on the roster are either established with a track record of good big league production, or are playing well. Unlike the Woodford situation where the guys blocking him were not performing well, and some had not had much success at the big league level anyway. Plus Woody had done well in prior work at the top level. That one was a head scratcher, and still is to some degree as Woody should have been warming up along with Helsley yesterday, and had the manager been thinking about all the possibilities could have given the flame thrower an additional day off as things turned out.
Burly looks like a good candidate to be on the big league club in 2023 though.
August 15, 2022 at 12:22 pm #195676Well said Mike.
August 15, 2022 at 2:55 pm #195699Burleson looks to be a good hitter, but better hitters than he have failed to make the transition to the big leagues. Matt Adams is a really good comp for him, actually. High average, low walks, solid to good power. It never made him more than a platoon player in the majors.
I like Burleson and Yepez as the DH for some time to come but it’s far from guaranteed that they’ll turn out to be above average.
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