2026 TCNs Top 50 Prospect Countdown

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    Brian Walton
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    #297515
    blingboy
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    There are two things that Rincon illustrates.

    The first is that an uptick in performance leading into a physical breakdown has to be taken with a huge grain of salt. I have often mentioned that assessing and rating a pitcher based on amazing flashes in between IL stints is just playing make believe. What matters is how effective is he pitching in a way that his body can tolerate. But some, many, like to play make believe. As Brian said, it wasn’t the arm. So that at least is good.

    The second is the slow mover issue. Yeah, but he was young coming in. Yeah, but there was a lost season. The yeah, buts don’t matter. A player has so much time to reach the promised land, and his trajectory has to get him there in that amount of time. Progress is either fast enough, or it is too slow.

    So we have a slow mover who achieved an uptick but hurt himself in the process. As Brian noted, the time line means a move to the pen would make sense. We will have to see if that happens, and how he takes to it. And we have to see if he maintains the improved performance whist staying on the field all year. That could all work out well, but I suggest not getting too lathered up. We have the happy circumstance of having quite a few interesting arms in the AA-AAA space this coming year. Rincon, and the org, will have to navigate that unfamiliar landscape.

    If Rincon can come back healthy and effective in AA, his value would spike, and one possibility would be to cash that in and let someone else deal with the time line and durability risks.

    #297520
    stlcard25
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    One of the biggest surprises is that after being the biggest Hancel Rincon fan the last two years, jnevel is the middle man in ranking him this year!

    #297521
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    I know. I know. I’ve always loved his control and his ability to continuously improve himself. Plus he’s animated on the mound and fun to watch.

    For the record, I hate the idea of making him a reliever. He’s shown his arm is at least durable enough to sustain starter innings. I’d start him at AA despite the crowd and hope he does well enough to put him on the 40-man over the offseason. Then, he becomes starting pitcher #6 or 7 for the MLB team while he continues to improve at Memphis. He’s a good stopgap in case of injuries and if he continues to refine himself like he’s shown he can do, then he might make it as a permanent rotation member someday.

    #297522
    Brian Walton
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    I respect others’ views, but here is how I see it. Not everyone can be a starter and not everyone can get a 40-man spot. As the pyramid narrows, some guys have to change roles. Do we really think Rincon is among the top candidates to crack the big league rotation?

    If Rincon had another couple of years, I would call it differently. But because his time is running out, I believe a change should be made to move him up more quickly. Or they may get nothing from him. (Same for Tink Hence.)

    If the situation changes down the road such that StL needs a starter and Rincon is a fit, they could move him back at that time (see Pallante and Leahy).

    #297537
    blingboy
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    Brian and Jnevel offer competing development paths for Rincon. I can see either working out, depending. I lean toward keeping in a starter role to begin the year. The reason is whenever you think you have enough starters, you end up not having enough starters. Guys will be getting an extended look in the AAA rotation, and it is likely we will see health and/or performance issues. It seems like there will likely be a need for replacements filtering up. I could easily see him, at the end of the season, being ready to become a AAA rotation mainstay in 2027, which would put him in the running for a 40 man spot. If the guys ahead hold up, then later in the season I could see moving him up to the AAA pen and positioned to help in St. Louis sooner.

    #297558
    AlbertTheMachine
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    I didn’t realize Rincon was throwing mid 90s now and assumed he was still low 90s. I didn’t put him on my list as he has been in the org so long and I didn’t see much of a path to the bigs for him before he likely leaves the org. With a mid 90s fastball though he could maybe have a path in the pen and I could see him getting long RP time with the team potentially late this year.

    Bling, how many innings would you want to see out of someone like Rincon in AA before sending them to AAA? Rincon has already been an incredibly slow mover, but he does have 47.1 innings in AA. Rincon actually performed very well and was struck by some very bad batted ball luck but the peripherals were very good. By mid year he will have thrown 100+ innings in AA and likely be ready for AAA. I’m the down guy on Rincon and think by mid year he should be in AAA unless he absolutely flounders and maybe even if he does as a RP to challenge him in what will be a year to decide if he stays in the org.

    #297563
    blingboy
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    ATM. I think it will be less about Rincon’s innings in AA, and more about when/if enough guys ahead of him fizzle, get traded or get hurt. Obviously, we want the best starters we can field in the AAA rotation. If that keeps Rincon out of the AAA rotation, that would be a very positive development. I do not share Brian’s optimism that too many starters ahead will impede his progression, but it will be a positive if it happens.

    #297595
    Brian Walton
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    I did not suggest too many starters ahead will impede him. My point is that he isn’t better than most of them. Rincon hasn’t yet earned the right to move ahead to Memphis and by the time conditions are right for him and there is an opening there, he may not have enough time to earn a 40-man spot by fall and prolong his development time. Hence my view to move him to relief and accelerate his schedule.

    I haven’t yet reviewed the 40-man protection candidates for next fall, but my guess is that there is going to be a lot of competition. Off the top of my head, just on the pitching side, there are Mathews, Henderson and Lin ahead of him for sure. Hjerpe, Roby, Hence and Mautz are already on the 40-man. That puts him no better than eighth among Triple-A and Double-A starter prospects. Add to that guys they will probably be adding in trades this winter and that would only bump Rincon down further. So, why aim for trying beat them out instead of trying to get Rincon to StL ASAP?

    There are many others who can become a #6 or #7 starter. No one is saying Rincon can become a back of the rotation arm for this team in the near future.

    What stuck with me is Kyle’s assessment that Rincon skill-wise could reach StL in 2026. I definitely do not see that window as a starter, but I do see a better chance as a reliever.

    #297596
    Brian Walton
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    #297632
    AlbertTheMachine
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    For what its worth and to offer a contrasting view on Crossland’s draft ranking, Fangraphs had Crossland at 89 on their board so in their eyes the Cards got someone who was a 3rd round talent in the 4th while BA and MLB think he was more of a 7 to 8th round talent.

    Fangraphs was more bullish on his curveball and their notes comments about how it improved later in the year.

    #297633
    Brian Walton
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    Good to know. Thanks for sharing that info. Maybe FG will have a chance later on to say “I told you so!”

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    Brian Walton
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    #297713
    Brian Walton
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    #297716
    14NyquisT
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    Brian…. did you have a tie (#24) between Gastelum and Church. They are both shown as being your #24 selection.

    #297722
    Brian Walton
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    Oops. I accidentally switched our two votes in the article. Corrected now. Thanks for letting me know!

    #297728
    CardsFanInChiTown
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    Church and victor are both LH light hitting CFers, given the current state of what the organization is trying to accomplish it makes no sense.
    What is the relevance of having them both? When there are so many teams that need a great defensive CFer?

    #297729
    jj-cf-stl
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    Light hitters, like Jon Jay was, or Skip, must use the whole field. How are Church’s opposite field skills?

    #297777
    Brian Walton
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    Kyle’s scouting report says that Church uses the entire field, but his gap-to-gap power lags against better pitching.

    I don’t know that either one of the two, Scott and Church, has much trade value. But with minor league options available, the Cards could always do a Siani and keep only one up at a time.

    #297778
    Brian Walton
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    #297785
    mudville
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    Reading Brian!s piece on international signings made me wonder when was the last time the Cardinals signed and developed a Spanish speaking international prospect. They do have a few in the pipeline now that are still developing. But I can’t think of one that actually made it to the majors and got real traction.

    #297790
    Brian Walton
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    Ivan Herrera qualifies. Before that, Carlos Martinez plus Sandy Alcantara and Randy Arozarena (sore subjects to many). Speaking of, Adolis Garcia was too old to qualify against the cap, but he came up through the system. While Oscar Taveras wasn’t in MLB long enough to perhaps qualify as having gained traction, he would likely have been another. But that is over 20 years…

    #297796
    mudville
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    Thank you. That’s something. But it’s not a very impressive group. I should have said ‘ got real traction for the Cardinals’. With that qualifier Carlos Martinez was the only player that really contributed for the Cardinals. It should be easy for Bloom to improve on that track record. Looking forward to seeing what Bernal, R. Rodriguez, Padilla, and yours and Kyle’s ranked international players, Dos Santos and Hernandez, can eventually contribute to winning for the Cardinals. Thanks for your write up on international. It was very informative and , for mudville, thought provoking.

    #297864
    Brian Walton
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    #297866
    Jnevel
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    Nice write-up today especially from Kyle. I learned several things about Mautz that I didn’t know prior.

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