2026 TCNs Top 50 Prospect Countdown

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    Brian Walton
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    #296650
    Jnevel
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    This is the 2nd guy I didn’t expect to make the top 50 of Walton & Reis although I knew he might slip in around the late 40’s. 39 is surprising for sure! Van Dyke was the other surprise which I discussed above. Both are in my personal list in the 50’s along with Koperniak, Campos, and Miura who have all made it. But Prieto was late 50’s. Time to read the article and find out why . . .

    #296657
    gscottar
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    I have Prieto number 38 on my list.

    #296667
    AlbertTheMachine
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    I no longer have Prieto on my list. Maybe I was too aggressive taking him off, but my rankings aren’t based off reaching the majors, but more contributing value. I just don’t see more than a depth option for Prieto at this point in his career. He is getting much older and still isn’t good defensively, doesn’t seem like a guy who will hit for power in the majors, and doesn’t get on base a lot.

    #296669
    Jnevel
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    Prieto has no position he can play effectively. He has little power. He doesn’t get on base enough. His redeeming quality is that he doesn’t strike out and can hit for average. It’s just not enough to be a DH or a utility player. At best, he could serve as a pinch hitter but I’m not sure who he’d pinch hit for. And he’s old and not likely to improve much more. Therefore, to me he’s just not much of a prospect.

    #296671
    CardsFanInChiTown
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    I think Torres and Fermin would get on the 26 man before Prieto for one reason, OBP.

    Torres being able to play CF also tilts it towards him if Church is an add on in a Donovan, etc deal for a SP.

    #296676
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    he’s just not much of a prospect

    It should be possible to accept that the system does not possess 50 players who are better prospects. Of course, you could go far enough back where there are no meaningful results against meaningful competition and just extrapolate however you want to come up with prospects. But considering how many of those pan out, the Prietos are not a bad bet.

    #296678
    Brian Walton
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    #296681
    AlbertTheMachine
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    I’m a little surprised Gurevitch is down at 38. I personally have him #19 as I really like the underlying tools Gurevitch has. I know his pro debut didn’t go well, but it was a small sample size and I’m going to trust the underlying tools until we have a larger sample.

    Gurevitch was also Fangraphs #52 ranked prospect for the draft class pre draft. Is there a reason you don’t include Fangrahs rankings? Their takes on players are typically quite different as they do their own scouting and try not to be influenced by the other rankings.

    #296683
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    Gurevitch walked into a system that has been profoundly bad at developing hitters, most especially MOTO power bat types. The incoming system doesn’t seem to have done him any favors, considering he could hit just fine when he got here, and now he can’t swat flies. The discussion in Brian’s article about the altered stance/mechanics late in the season suggests that whatever they were doing failed so completely they tried turning him into a Pete Rose slappy type and that went even worse. I appreciate the value of optimism with a new guy, but he might be doomed to a bungled development.

    #296686
    Brian Walton
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    Wow. A guy has been in the system only a few months and his development is already “bungled”? Now there is some real patience!

    ATM, no reason I didn’t look at Fangraphs’ pre-draft ratings. At the time, I thought two sources were enough. Thinking about it now, I guess I don’t have enough experience with FGs views to put them on the same level as BA and Pipeline.

    It may not be fair, but I think back to the years that Baseball Prospectus was on the same plane with the others. They used to have some “different” views also, but my perception was that they drew attention by backing long shots that mostly didn’t pay off.

    #296688
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    Wow. A guy has been in the system only a few months and his development is already “bungled”?

    Its not about the guy, its about the system, and we have all been patiently waiting for a MOTO bat long enough. If he never recovers from whatever they did to him, it should not surprise anyone.

    #296691
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    my rankings aren’t based off reaching the majors, but more contributing value

    Value for who? If a guy is unlikely to make the majors then he has little value to me and many of the guys we are voting for probably won’t make it to the bigs.

    #296695
    blingboy
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    Value for who?

    Its computed value gs. Whatever the scoring system is, whoever scores highest has most value. My gripe is that health risk is always underweighted, as is proximity to the top. The result is not very predictive of who will help and how much. Beyond a very small handful of strong and reliable performers near the top of the system, it is mostly a blind squirrel exercise.

    #296697
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    Bling, so 1 year of Bloom observing the organization, followed by 1 year of Bloom restructuring the development system, is enough time for the whole system to turn around? Bloom has been POBO for less than 2 months but he should have been able to develop better?

    Do you really believe that nonsense?

    #296711
    blingboy
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    Do you really believe that nonsense?

    I believe results. I also believe that the most likely thing to happen in the future is whatever happened in the past. So it is reasonable to expect a continuation of the past until we see results that are different than the past. The PD system’s results with Gurevitch are the same as past results so far.

    #296715
    AlbertTheMachine
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    Value for who? If a guy is unlikely to make the majors then he has little value to me and many of the guys we are voting for probably won’t make it to the bigs.

    It comes down to talent acquisition. Guys like Prieto are always available on the waiver wire who can fill in for a brief stint when injuries strike and all an org has to do is fork over some salary commitment. Even if a guy has 5% chance of being a big league starter, that 5% shot when you weight the risk versus reward has more value and cost of acquisition than a depth fill in guy. Sure most shots fail, but you acquire as many upside players as you can and hope you get some successes.

    #296726
    Brian Walton
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    #296740
    blingboy
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    My take on Kross is he has driven in runs at whatever level he’s in, college and pro. There is a skill to that. Situational hitting. Clutch hitting. It would be interesting to see his w/RISP stats and sacrifices. The homers and xbase hits from a guy who hits a lot of ground balls is interesting. He amounts to throwing a chunk of meat into the new PD system’s pen. We will see what they do with him. Hopefully not another mistake launcher who gets owned by advanced opposition.

    #296782
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    Brian Walton
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    Brian Walton
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    #296949
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