April 13, 2021 at 10:01 am #157964
But Goldschmidt has a slightly different career record as a major league ballplayer than Paul DeJong. Goldy will be fine.
DeJong ……. ?April 13, 2021 at 10:44 am #157967forsch31ParticipantFree
LA, what’s really funny is how the same ones who keep running down the complete outfield and SS or posting their numbers almost daily, also keep saying that Goldschmidt is one of our best hitters so far this year or that he came off his hot streak. After the first game of the season until now, Goldschmidt has a line of .147/.216/.147/.363. In other words, he had a 1 game hot streak.
I am sure there will be at least one post about how we are not worried about Goldschmidt or that he isn’t protected in the order.April 13, 2021 at 12:01 pm #157969
Goldy’s a 7 time All Star. Silver Slugger in both 2017 and 2018. He will be just fine.April 13, 2021 at 12:18 pm #157970
Goldy is 33, going to turn 34 this year. Three time All Star and Silver Slugger winner Matt Carpenter had a 133 wRC+ through his age 32 season and then promptly went off the age cliff. To suggest that Goldy is automatically immune to the same sort of decline is to suspend the reality of the game in the PED Era of the 1950s to 2010ish.
We all hope that Goldy is the 140 wRC+ guy he has been for much of his career. He could well be the 114 guy he was his first year in St Louis, or even worse. To paraphrase BlingBoy, we can’t know that he’ll be the Goldy of old until we know he’s not Goldy the Old.April 13, 2021 at 1:23 pm #157988
Some posters have great hopes this season for unproven guys like Bader, O’Neill, Thomas, Williams, etc. but then talk about the possible decline of Goldy. Strange.April 13, 2021 at 2:39 pm #157993blingboyParticipantPaid - Annual
Goldy could still be dealing with whatever it was that kept him out that one game.April 13, 2021 at 3:13 pm #157995
NL occurrences of players 33+ putting up a 130 wRC+ or better in a single season over the last 10 full years: 17. Above 140 wRC+: 7, with only Joey Votto in the last 5 years.
Jason Werth, Joey Votto, Aramis and Carlos Beltran broke 130 twice. Only four have happened since 2015: Votto’s duo, Justin Turner and Josh Donaldson in 2019.
Like I said, we hope Goldy can get back on track but the odds are stacked against him. He’s still going to add a lot of value to the team though.April 13, 2021 at 3:47 pm #157996
Shoot. That wRC+ will get you every time.
Bet Stan the Man monitored that constantly. And every single day was keeping a close check on his launch angle, swing plane, barrel rate, and exit velocity.April 13, 2021 at 4:23 pm #157999
What does Stan Musial have to do with age related decline of players in the non PED Era? The point is that you are dreaming if you think that there’s nothing to worry about with Goldy.April 13, 2021 at 5:22 pm #158002
Bet Stan the Man monitored that constantly
Bc, I find it interesting that you respond to people debating you by continually accusing them of personally attacking you, yet whenever people use statistcs and modern metrics to support their points of view, you often belittle them and their posts.
You are a mass of odious contradictions.April 13, 2021 at 5:37 pm #158003
“You are a mass of odious contradiction”
You are rude, so cal, and continuously break the posting rules. Demeaning personally another poster is taboo.April 13, 2021 at 5:47 pm #158004
I did not demean you, bccran. I demeaned your contradictions that you act under on this forum. I’m not the first one to notice them, or the first one to call you out for them.
I don’t have aquaintance with you, nor do I know you well enough to evaluate whether we you would benefit from having a personal evaluation of you (which you would call an attack), so all I can do is observe your posting behavior and call that out.April 13, 2021 at 6:13 pm #158006
Maybe calling out another poster is fun for you. Or is good sport. But it’s not gentlemanly. You want to attack my posts, have at it. You want to attack the way I post, back off.April 13, 2021 at 6:17 pm #158007
I find your posts a mass of odious contradictions. Is that better?April 13, 2021 at 6:25 pm #158008
Great. And I find your posts about the way another poster posts out of line and against Brian’s well thought out posting rules. Talk baseball and the Cardinals. Simple.April 13, 2021 at 6:41 pm #158010
I hope you can stick to posting rules as well. Try not mocking people’s posts that bring up performance metrics.April 13, 2021 at 6:48 pm #158011Steve60ParticipantFree
For what it’s worth:
I have a ton of faith that Goldschmidt will be fine in the long run and
Zero Faith that O’Neill, Bader, Williams, ever will! I starting to doubt Carlson also but have. Or given up hope on him! The other three are never gonna be any good!
The truth is the front office has done a terrible job evaluating talent! We are fans and can debate for fun but they are being paid thousands of not millions to evaluate young cardinal talent and they suck at it! If we had Arozarena and Pham in the corner outfield spots instead of the pitiful choices we have now we would be in way better shape! We need big league help NOW in the batters box before it gets truly ugly! I have no faith in our front office to pick and choose which young players have a bright future! They have proven they don’t know!April 13, 2021 at 6:49 pm #158012jj-cf-stlParticipantPaid - Annual
play the poor little victim
bigotry at its bestApril 13, 2021 at 6:59 pm #158015Steve60ParticipantFree
Like I said in post above think Goldschmidt will be fine!April 13, 2021 at 7:27 pm #158017
Good post, Steve. Thanks for talking baseball. I think Goldy will be fine too. He’s a competitor and his skills remain high.April 13, 2021 at 8:54 pm #158045forsch31ParticipantFree
Stan Musial had 9 seasons of wRC+ of 160 or more through his age 32 season. His high was 201. Paul Goldschmidt has 1 season of wRC+ of 160 or more. His high was 163 and it was 6 years ago. Looking at traditional stats, Musial had a line of .345/.432/.582/1.014 and 2223 hits through his age 32 season. Goldschmidt has a career line of 293/.392/.522/.914 and 1395 hits.
bc, since you love saying that someone is comparing apples to oranges, I think you can’t use Musial as a comparison for Goldschmidt.April 13, 2021 at 9:15 pm #1580691982 willieParticipantPaid - Annual
Yea Stan the man is an all timer. He would be great in any era. So bringing him in a discussion of goldy who is a fine player is really silly.April 13, 2021 at 9:17 pm #1580721982 willieParticipantPaid - Annual
I do think goldy will be fine this year. Going forward hard to say and also we don’t need him to be super just pretty good.April 14, 2021 at 8:20 am #158089
Edmonds at 40 years old – .286/.350/.493/.843
Rolen at 35 years old – .285/.358/.497/.855
Ozzie at 37 years old – .295/.367/.342/.709
McGee at 38 years old – .300/.347/.420/.767
Brock at 40 years old – .304/.342/.398/.740
Torre at 35 years old – .306/.358/.406/.764
Beltran at 39 years old – .304/.347/.546/.893
Berkman at 35 years old – .301/.412/.547/.959
Rose at 40 years old – .325/.391/.390/.781
Aaron at 39 years old – .301/.402/.643/1.045
You simply don’t know how Goldy will be in the next few
years. He’s a competitor and keeps himself in great shape.April 14, 2021 at 8:29 am #158092
All of those players were active in the PED era. Again, since PEDs were mostly eliminated from the sport, older players performing really well is almost unheard of unless they are DHs. Goldy is a great player and unlikely to fall completely off a cliff, but he’s also at the age where we should start to expect much less of him. That’s why having Carlson, Gorman or an outside free agent becoming the secondary bat to Arenado for a few years is going to be so key.
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