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November 30, 2019 at 1:45 pm #115802
My optimism for Delvin comes from his end of season run. Prior to this year he hadn’t shown any ability to drive the ball at all since his GCL stint. Late in the year, he did. Also, the guys between Paul’s slot for him and the TCN rank very likely don’t have any shot to make an impact at the MLB level (with the exception of Gingery). At least Delvin has an outside chance if the chips fall just right.
Can Paul really make a case for any of those guys as anything more than a lottery ticket to be a bullpen arm or utility guy? Let’s see the objective analysis of that. 😉😁
November 30, 2019 at 2:05 pm #115803While I have no doubt there is truth in your statement that teams give a longer leash to players they draft earlier and give bigger bonuses, the Cardinals coaches and front office staff tell me and the players that once a player is signed, they are all treated equally and everything is based on their growth and performance.
December 1, 2019 at 10:24 am #115806The special attention Jose Oquendo has given Perez for years is a reminder that there are no absolutes.
December 1, 2019 at 10:24 am #115807At no. 30 in The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards 2020 top 50 prospect countdown is the organization’s 28th-round outfielder from 2018 who spent most of his first full season as a professional at Double-A, Justin Toerner. FREE article. https://t.co/PKOpzxWbup pic.twitter.com/rFh8P8b40g
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) December 1, 2019
December 2, 2019 at 9:09 am #115834The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards top 50 prospect countdown for 2020 continues to no. 29 with a right-handed pitcher who dominated at Palm Beach, but ran into August injury and ineffectiveness at Springfield, Alex FaGalde. ($) https://t.co/zmFuY31TlG pic.twitter.com/xarsSK3WGF
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) December 2, 2019
December 3, 2019 at 5:12 am #115877December 3, 2019 at 12:22 pm #115894In the 31 to 50 range there were a few hidden gems that were uncovered and that will be fun to keep an eye on next year.
But it gets a lot more interesting when you get below 30 in these rankings. Nice analysis by all three evaluators on Jack Ralston.December 3, 2019 at 9:45 pm #115928Ralston’s ‘over the top, windmill’ pitching motion sounds kind of like Michael Wacha’s pitching motion. Wacha’s changeup is generally considered his best secondary pitch and Ralston’s best secondary pitch is his curveball. Come to think of it, if Ralston throws, and controls, a curveball thrown with an over the top, windmill motion, it’s hard to imagine how anybody could hit it.
December 4, 2019 at 7:48 am #115937Coming in at no. 27 in The Cardinal Nation’s top 50 prospect countdown for 2020 is the #stlcards’ fourth-round draft pick from June. RH Andre Pallante @andrepallant immediately excelled in the State College rotation. ($) https://t.co/irpVhcaYDx pic.twitter.com/pa2ghCRSQd
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) December 4, 2019
December 4, 2019 at 8:45 am #115947I read in the BA chat with Kyle Glaser last week the Cardinals plan on using Ralston only in relief, so he should be on the fast-track next year.
December 4, 2019 at 11:12 am #115960The issue with resetting your pitching through a massive influx of college arms is a sudden log jam at Peoria. Ralston seems like someone who needs innings as a late bloomer. I wonder if they see Jeffry Abreau as a starter? He is a big talented kid who is completely under our radar but was the central piece in the Gyorko trade.
December 5, 2019 at 7:20 am #115997Nigel T, I hope to get my first look at Abreu if he is invited to instructional camp. Otherwise it will be in spring training. All of that assumes he is healthy and ready to go. Just by what I have read, I doubt he is an immediate candidate for Peoria.
December 5, 2019 at 7:21 am #115998At no. 26 in The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards top 50 prospect countdown for 2020 is a 40-man roster infielder trying to work his way into the St. Louis picture next season, Ramon Urias. ($) https://t.co/1o0D7gMksf pic.twitter.com/FpykJmgrvv
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) December 5, 2019
December 6, 2019 at 8:32 am #116101The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards top 50 prospect countdown for 2020 continues to no. 25 with Mateo Gil, a teenage shortstop who finished his second professional season strongly with Johnson City. FREE article. https://t.co/lcF7hoVR0L pic.twitter.com/ulTIKStGEI
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) December 6, 2019
December 7, 2019 at 8:09 am #116149At no. 24 in The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards top 50 prospect countdown for 2020 is the organization’s third-round pick in 2019, who debuted in relief at Peoria, but will likely return to starting in the spring, Tony Locey @LoceyTony32. ($) https://t.co/2Jq2e2tfhX pic.twitter.com/B0aDWslRVz
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) December 7, 2019
December 8, 2019 at 7:52 am #116205No. 23 in The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards top 50 prospect countdown for 2020 is the 43rd overall selection in the 2018 draft who scuffled all season before taking hold in the Arizona Fall League, RHP Griffin Roberts. ($) https://t.co/qmTbjJ68Pw pic.twitter.com/hOtyiMkYDp
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) December 8, 2019
December 8, 2019 at 10:12 am #116214I am a little concerned over Roberts’ diminished fastball readings in Arizona. Hopefully, it is the result of a long professional season.
December 9, 2019 at 8:21 am #116270At no. 22 in The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards top 50 prospect countdown for 2020 is a 21-year old right-handed starter who was our Comeback Pitcher of the Year and earned a 40-man roster spot in November, Alvaro Seijas (pronounced 'SAY-haas'). ($) https://t.co/6LsSMP0TiI pic.twitter.com/9FmJDDrooR
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) December 9, 2019
December 10, 2019 at 6:31 am #116346December 10, 2019 at 6:56 am #116348Catching up a little, it’s interesting how Ralston, Pallante, Locey, Roberts and Seijas have been rated. It seems to me like this group of 5 is the “second tier” of talent that the Cards should be hoping to get a back end starter and a couple of relievers from. If they can get more, then great (you’d hope for at least a mid rotation guy or better plus a stud reliever from “Tier 1” of Oviedo, Cabrera, Rondon and Thompson with Woodford a wild card). Each guy has a ways to go in their development and most (except maybe Seijas) have starter/reliever questions going forward. It wouldn’t surprise me if any are in the Cards’ rotation in 2-3 years, nor would it be a real shock if they were in the bullpen or not in the league at all. Such is life on the edges of prospect relevance (at least in terms of the big leagues, not to us).
December 11, 2019 at 7:11 am #116441The Cardinal Nation’s 2020 #stlcards top 50 prospect countdown moves into the top 20 with a fast-rising, hard-throwing relief prospect who may make his MLB debut in 2020, Kodi Whitley. FREE article. https://t.co/yOai1A4cIZ pic.twitter.com/pwg1NGwlh1
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) December 11, 2019
December 12, 2019 at 7:35 am #116577At no. 19 in The Cardinal Nation’s #stlcards top 50 prospect countdown is a first baseman who needs to unlock his power potential in his projected Double-A debut in 2020, Luken Baker. ($) https://t.co/f4SUbUdKjn pic.twitter.com/Ge6UF0g2QO
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) December 12, 2019
December 12, 2019 at 8:41 am #116585For context, the scout noted that while Jose Martinez is a difficult roster fit – he can play first base and corner outfield, if necessary.
Has this scout watched Jose play first base? I have a hard time believing that. If Baker is even more of a liability than Jmart, they should do us all a favor and cut him right now.
December 12, 2019 at 9:41 am #116590There is a huge difference between a 22-year-old still on his way up and learning both his body and the position, and a 31-year-old who has played 14 seasons of professional ball and is not going to get any better defensively.
December 12, 2019 at 9:46 am #116591There is a huge difference between a 22-year-old still on his way up and learning both his body and the position, and a 31-year-old who has played 14 seasons of professional ball and is not going to get any better defensively.
Agreed. That’s why it seems strange to say that there’s just no way that Baker can play defense at all. I suspected that the scout either hadn’t seen Jmart play much or was being a bit hyperbolic.
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