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    During Winter Warm Up, Mozeliak stated 13 pitchers will train on a starters program in ST. It will be interesting to see how enough work can be spread out with that many pitchers. I suppose the veterans excluding CMart could throw on the side for the first few days while the youngsters take center stage. I would think they’d want to see Carlos’ progress from surgery early on. Maybe 3-4 pitchers can see action early also. Minor league games could used for any pitchers on the bubble. It will be very interesting no matter what.

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    I had the same thought. I figured they would have to have a few more backfield game to get a good look at everyone.

    #120439
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    It would be interesting to break starters down into high ceiling guys and Steady Eddies.

    High ceiling guys might include
    Flaherty, Hudson, Martinez, Reyes,
    Cabrera, Helsley, Thompson, Liberatore, etc.

    Steady Eddies might include Waino, Mikolas, Gant, Ponce, Gomber, Woodford, Rondon, Oviedo, etc.

    Does that make sense?

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    Yes. I asked Shildt that very question last weekend. He said there would be more simulated games on the back fields for the 13 starters to get in their work and be evaluated. Details in the Sunday WWU article posted on the home page.

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    I think your grouping makes sense. If Huddy can figure out how to settle down before he gets started rather than in the second inning, he could join the steady Eddies.

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    bccran, I like your groupings. I think there is a chance that Oviedo and Rondon move into the high end group. Those two could be real sleepers.

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    I am also am excited about our bullpen options. We have a number of good young arms. Whoever loses the starting competition should help the bullpen. Maybe not a good comparison, but the Royals have a solid closer, and maybe 2-3 good relievers. Our weak link might be Gant or Webb, and even then they had a lot of good moments in 2019. Year to year a bullpen’s performance can change, but I see many options, not including pitchers like Whitley and Elledge, among others that could pitch in the Lou inn 2020. My sleeper is Derian Gonzalez, who almost made team a few years ago. I figure if the Cards resigned him, they must see something.

    #120507
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    Does Whitley have a chance to make the bullpen? Seems all he does is get people out.

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    Does Whitley have a chance to make the bullpen? Seems all he does is get people out.

    Unless there are a lot of injuries or Whitley is basically unhittable in spring training, I would think that Whitley will be in Memphis and possibly riding the shuttle for at least 2020 or even 2021.

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    Whitley has to earn a 40-man spot first. There are already 18 pitchers (plus Hicks) on the 40-man competing for just 13 jobs.

    Whitley will make his MLB debut at some point in 2020 if he keeps on his current trajectory, but pretty unlikely it will be as soon as March.

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    Don’t be shocked if Alexander “The Great” sneaks into Cranny’s “Steady Eddie” bracket. As a quick, but pertinent aside, the first baseball “Eddie” that popped to mind was Eddie Brinkman of Detroit. One would think it would have been Braves great, Eddie Matthews.

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    Pugs, it’s no wonder you thought of Brinkman over the likes of Mathews, Murray and Stanky! Who will ever forget Brinkman’s 2-month stint as a Redbird where he collected a HR and 6 RBIs? His HR added insult to injury in a laugher over the Giants. Couldn’t hit a lick, but he was a good glove guy.

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    Funny stuff, Euro! Right after I posted that, I too checked Brinkman’s stats out and was shocked to see that he had a cup of coffee with us and actually uncorked a long one in a Redbird uni. I would love to see the video of Eddie’s long Cardinal bomb. Is it possible to get that from ’75?

    Very much looking forward to the start of the ’20 campaign and game threading it with all of you yahoos, EuroDandy. Luckily, my Milwaukee Bucks have been making this winter bearable. Go Cardinals, Go Bucks, and Go Eddie Brinkman!…….my Packers? Not speaking to them after their absolutely LAME performance in Frisco.

    #120521
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    It’d funny but since the subject was pitchers, the first “Eddie” that came to my mind was “Gettysburg” Eddie Plank.

    By the way, not sure if it is still there, but there used to be a great little restaurant/bar in Gettysburg called “Gettysburg Eddie’s”. When I played vintage baseball we played in a big festival there, and Gettysburg Eddie’s was one of the main sponsors of the event.

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    it looks like Gettysburg Eddies is still alive and kicking. Wonder how far it is from Gettysburg to our minor league team the State College?

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    https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g60798-d1483293-Reviews-Gettysburg_Eddie_s-Gettysburg_Pennsylvania.html

    If you have breakfast in Gettysburgh you can probably make it to State College for the first pitch of a night game.

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    bccran where does the new korean guy kim fall in your steady chart?

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    Right in between the 2 groups, simba. But probably tilted more toward the Mikolas type than the Flaherty/Liberatore type.

    #120599
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    Does anyone have the list of minor leaguers who will be in the major league camp at ST before the minor league official reporting date? If it’s available, I’ve missed it.

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    bc, i think that the “ST invitees” list hasn’t come out yet. Brian usually keeps up with that and will have a piece on it when available.

    #120664
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    We know Gorman and Liberatore confirmed they are invited.

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    From WWU, I reported the total will be between 28-30 non-roster invitees, which is up 5-6 from prior years when there had been a STEP Camp to draw extra players from. The names of the NRIs have not been announced yet.

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    Did we get any news on Gingery? Supposedly he had a second Tommy John surgery last fall. I guess we may have to wait until the minor leaguers report to camp.

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    Rob Rains replied to me today that the NRI list is expected to come out on Friday

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    I can’t speak for others, but I have no reason to question the validity of the Fangraphs report on Gingery. The only open question for me is his targeted return date. I can’t imagine it would be before the second half.

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