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April 8, 2018 at 3:49 pm #47987
The offense is infuriating. Wong has a breakout but everyone sucks.
April 8, 2018 at 3:57 pm #47989T-Card, I’m totally with you on Weaver. 85 pitches and putting up zeros, yet they pull him. Matheney confounds me with his early use of the pen. This is shades of last year — starters posting quality starts and the bullpen giving it up in late innings. I agree with Mike Shannon as well, way too much reliance on pitch count. Lose a game to “save an arm?” I don’t buy that logic.
April 8, 2018 at 3:58 pm #47990Team is hard to watch.
April 8, 2018 at 3:58 pm #47991Speaking of Shannon, he made me laugh in yesterday’s post-game wrap-up. Rooney was saying how proud he was of Wacha for gutting it out 5 innings. It sounded like that comment made Shannon fall out of his chair….saying 5 innings was okay the first week of the season, but these starters need to start going 7. He said if it doesn’t change soon, the bullpen guys won’t be able to comb their own hair.
April 8, 2018 at 4:09 pm #47992You deserve to lose if you can only manage to score 1-run! Yes the bullpen blew another lead but its not the offense has done anything today
April 8, 2018 at 4:09 pm #47993NJ315Participant4-1 your final.
April 8, 2018 at 4:11 pm #47994With the 4-1 Sunday loss, the Cards fall back under .500 at 4-5 on the season.
April 8, 2018 at 4:12 pm #47995NJ315ParticipantLooking similar to last year’s team. But it is still very early.
April 8, 2018 at 4:15 pm #47997Unfortunately, Cards’ pen follows up on its fist save with another blown save. Offense has to do better with this pen, or we’re going to have too many of these. Carp and Fowler need to start playing soon.
April 8, 2018 at 4:18 pm #47998NJ315ParticipantCarp looks like he is playing in pain. Just an observation.
April 8, 2018 at 5:01 pm #47999I agree the offense has to be better. Its pathetic really how inconsistent they are.
April 8, 2018 at 5:18 pm #48001Well, since they allowed the inherited runner to score in the 7th, this isn’t a blown save, but rather just a loss for the bullpen. Way to cause Weaver’s ERA to balloon…
But yes, the bullpen needs to do better, and the bats need to do better.
Wong & Fowler have OBP’s south of the Mendoza line. Carpenter has more walks than hits on the year…
April 8, 2018 at 5:40 pm #48002Ouch. The team can’t seem to catch a break with the bullpen no matter what.
April 8, 2018 at 6:10 pm #48007Cardinals2016: Inherited runners don’t matter on blown saves. It also doesn’t matter if the tying run is unearned. All that matters is for a reliever to be in a save situation (save opportunity) when the reliever gives up the tying run.
The run is charged to Weaver in this case, but Bowman has a blown save.April 8, 2018 at 6:17 pm #48008My understanding is for it to be a save opportunity, it has to occur in the 8th or 9th inning.
April 8, 2018 at 6:22 pm #48009And I brought up the fact it was an inherited runner because last year, we had a decent bullpen ERA, but were atrocious when it came to allowing inherited runners to score.
Similarly, we were among the lead leaders in save %, but among the worst in terms of bullpen losses. This is not a blown save, but is a bullpen loss.
The inherited runner was tagged to Weaver’s ERA, not Bowman’s. Bowman doesn’t even get the blown save, because he was pitching in the 7th. The loss goes to Leone.
April 8, 2018 at 6:37 pm #48010C2017, the box score shows that Bowman was credited with a blown save.
April 8, 2018 at 7:51 pm #48014I stand corrected.
April 8, 2018 at 8:23 pm #48015A save opportunity can begin as early as the start of the 6th inning. Saturday’s game with Wacha pitching was an example. Wacha left the game as the pitcher of record and the lead after 5 innings. Norris eventually got the save, but Leone, Bowman and Hicks were all credited with a “hold” because they all entered the game in a save situation and did not relinquish the lead.
April 8, 2018 at 8:59 pm #48016Bowman arm is going to off. Today was his 6th game.
April 10, 2018 at 3:40 pm #48249Goold is reporting that Molina will not appeal and will sit out Tuesday night.
#Dbacks mgr Torey Lovullo and Cards catcher Yadier Molina each suspended 1 game and fined by MLB.
— Steve Gilbert (@SteveGilbertMLB) April 10, 2018
Molina will be suspended a game for his actions this past weekend. #stlcards He will serve tonight. Torey Lovullo has been suspended one game and fined an undisclosed amount of money for his actions at Busch Stadium, which included a curse word directed toward Molina.
— Derrick Goold (@dgoold) April 10, 2018
April 10, 2018 at 3:43 pm #48251That’s one way for the Cardinals backup catchers to get starts – just have the other teams antagonize Yadi
April 10, 2018 at 3:49 pm #48256That’s a crap decision by MLB. Luvullo should have received a much harsher penalty than Yadi. Luvullo was obviously the instigator.
April 10, 2018 at 3:50 pm #48259Goold now saying that Molina will appeal and will sit out tomorrow if he loses. In fact, Goold is suggesting Molina will likely sit either way (day game following night game).
It's not uncommon for Joe Torre/#MLB to come to an agreement on the suspension with the player that he will not appeal. However, in this case Yadier Molina can appeal right now, play tonight, and accept his punishment tomorrow — when he would have likely sat, anyway. #stlcards https://t.co/XqcpnOHwNt
— Derrick Goold (@dgoold) April 10, 2018
April 10, 2018 at 3:56 pm #48262Good idea Yadi!
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