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If they package 2 ready to go players like Noot and Conteras. It will Take more than Tong to get it done IMO. They need another RH OF bat to make it work. Doesn’t have to be a top 5 guy but top 6-15 from the mets
That’s hard to imagine. Tong is probably a top 20ish prospect in all of baseball and is being mentioned as a trade piece for guys like Skubal and Joe Ryan. His OPS and ERA allowed this year by month…
April-0.599 OPS, 3.63 ERA (Started in AA)
May-0.400 OPS, 1.35 ERA
June-0.341 OPS, 0.93 ERA
July-0.414, 1.42 ERA
August-0.513 OPS, 0.68 ERA (called up to AAA and then to the majors)
September-0.996 OPS, 9.88 ERA (three MLB starts where he was roughed up in two of them)His numbers remind of Tink Hence (with more durability) a couple years ago when basically no none could hit him.
Anyway, he would be an excellent, excellent return all by himself for those two guys. If they got another decent prospect alongside him, I would be ecstatic. I would miss Willson, but I’ve long been on the “Koperniak could give us what Nootbaar does” train. Hopefully the Mets GM thinks along your lines. I would be willing to go Contreras-Nootbaar and a prospect in our 7-14 range (Crooks, Mautz, Hence, Padilla) to get Tong and a prospect in their 20-30 range (Ryan Lambert, Zach Thornton, RJ Gordon are all looking solid in their AA rotation).
Why would they trade Crooks…he is under control at mlb avg salary for many years, if he makes the ML team, last year was his first year at Memphis
And we have about 1000 LH hitters in the organization. Bernal is a switch hitter which makes him more valuable to us in my opinion.
Who gets the reps at 3rd when he’s gone? Spare me with Gorman.
Well a team trying to win in 2026 wouldn’t settle for Gorman as the everyday 3B but the Cards don’t fall into that category now do they?
We are already settling for Arenado and may continue to. Would a club trying to win settle for Arenado?
A club trying to win could take on Arenado depending on their need. He is still a plus WAR player and has a lot of value on defense. His bat has waned, but you never know, he might just find the groove again. But even if not, a club that has good MOTO bats but is weak at third would be a good fit, and hit Nolan in the 7 slot.
I hope Arenado gets to go some place where he can win a ring. I think he thrives on winning and he thrives on fan support. Wherever he goes he will be loved. And I wouldn’t be surprised to see his bat return. Seattle looks like the perfect fit for him. A package of Arenado and Donovan fills two of the Mariner’s needs, 2B and 3B. Maybe the Cardinals are asking for too much, or maybe the Mariners are asking for too much cash. Who knows? But if something doesn’t pop soon, Donovan will be in Kansas City.
Fangraphs war ranked Arenado 33rd last season among all 3Bmen. I’ll update to 30% gone, 70% stays on Nolan.
Not seeing his market. Feels like waiting for a mystery buyer, for a guy we nearly have to buyout, to dump.
If he’s traded tomorrow, you’re welcome😀
Imagine a 2026 season where everyone knows we are playing guys because we couldn’t get rid of them even though we tried really hard.
Still feel like the best way to dump him is to take back a bad salary from another team. Also would help putting him in a stadium where the balls go over the fence at a good pace. I don’t think we can reasonably expect even a decent prospect back in return unless we did facilitate a deal and ate a good chunk of a contract.
Still feel like the best way to dump him is to take back a bad salary from another team.
What would we gain by that? We don’t want an overpaid underperformer, ours or somebody else’s.
Still feel like the best way to dump him is to take back a bad salary from another team.
Why would a rebuilding team do that? That defeats the whole purpose.
Actually very smart idea fellas…. Here is a perfect example for GScott and Bling…. Keep in mind the Cards desperately need SP innings, somehow and someway AND they have several 3B.
Arenado-Cards $ burden in 26/27 $34.4M
Manaea-Mets $ burden in 26/27 $39 or so
If Mets kicked in 5M and it will fill needs for both sides, why say no vs “eating money”. That deal simply solves problem’s for both sides, aka, win win….. De-lost-his-wallet will have saved enough after Willie, Donnie and Jojo are shipped out.
If anyone disagrees please reach me at 867-5309
To add on, get them to kick in their money in 2026, because of the possible stoppage in 2027…
We have two first rounders blocked behind Arenado (Gorman / JJ). Our rebuild needs the 3B runway that Arenado has blocked for two more seasons. Two more seasons.
Trading Arenado and taking back pitching blocks no-one. A rental mutual dump pitcher shortens Arenado’ club control by a full season. The “dump” pitching acquired could be our best arm in 26′, easily. The rebuild needs Arenado to exit, if that’s even possible without a DFA.
A club trying to win could take on Arenado depending on their need.
I don’t see a club trying to win taking on Arenado without the Cardinals paying down almost all of Arenado’s contract.
Would you bet on a rebound from Arenado, or would you bet on the upside of a top prospect if you were Boston, Seattle or Detroit?
The Cardinals are trying to cut the payroll. Taking back another bad contract does not accomplish that.
Would they consider doing it if that was the only option other than just releasing him? Yes they probably would but that is Plan D or F right now.
At your 7mil value for Nado, Bill does trade that amount away. That meets the saga’s agenda, and Bills balance can be all cash, or less cash by accepting player salary. He pays both ways.
JJ, I wish I knew what that meaant but I really don’t. Taking back a player that makes more than Arenado doesn’t solve anything unless said new player is able to flipped again w/o eating money, which seems unlikely.
“More than Arenado” is new to me. That doesn’t meet the dump agenda.
After re-claiming your 7mil, Bills balance can be all cash, that’s an option too. Or less cash by accepting player salary in trade. It’s usually both right? Just like the Gray trade. We accepted a 26man salary in Fitts.
“More than Arenado” is new to me. That doesn’t meet the dump agenda.
I was referring to Chitown’s proposal of Arenado for Manaea. Manaea is owed a bit more than Nado, according to Cot’s.
Two Chiefs fans talking Cardinals baseball during the Chiefs game says a lot doesn’t it?
Yeah it has been a down year for the Chiefs, but after 5 super bowl appearances in 6 years, I really can’t complain. Not a bad run.
You take a bad contract back to put you in a more advantageous position.
For instance, last year the Yankees offered Stroman as part of a proposed Arenado trade.
Stroman was making $18 million in 2025, with a vesting option for $18 million in 2026 if he pitched 140 innings in 2025. The Cardinals deemed this unreasonable and publicly chastised the Yankees for even proposing such a deal.
But, let’s look at the deal:
– The Cardinals would have traded three years and roughly $56 million for either one year/$18 million or two years $36 million. Either way, the contract situation is more advantageous.
– The Cardinals would have saved $4 million in cash last year, PLUS, they would have been more inclined to trade Erick Fedde, which would have saved another $6.5 million. That is also more advantageous.
– Had they traded Fedde last year, they would have likely gotten a prospect, which would have also been more advantageous.But Mozeliak’s hubris got in the way of making a logical trade that would put the Cardinals in a more advantageous position.
I really only see one fit for an Arenado trade this year, and that is to the Angels. And, yes, I believe the Cardinals would have to take a bad contract back. But yes, it puts the Cardinals in a more advantageous position.
The Angels are already paying $38 million for Anthony Rendon. They are not looking to add another $19 million for a one WAR upgrade just so Arenado can play close to home. But if the Cardinals take back the contract of Jorge Soler ($16 million according to Cots), they are exchanging two years / $34 million of Arenado for one year/$16 million of Soler.
That is advantageous for the Cardinals.
The Cardinals also save $3 million in 2026. That is also advantageous for the Cardinals.
Now, if DeWitt is willing to eat $13 million of Soler’s contract, I am sure they can flip him to an offensive-needy team willing to bet on a bounceback. That would save the Cardinals an extra $3 million.
So, DeWitt could theoretically save $6 million in 2026 and shed one year of Arenado’s contract by taking back a bad contract.
I forgot to mention that Stroman did not pitch 140 innings in 2025, so the Cardinals would have already been out of the deal altogether.
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