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December 5, 2023 at 5:38 pm #239027
Bling – I was kidding about him finishing 5th for MVP. But I think he’s probably a 1.5-2.5 WAR player as an average outcome even accounting for some time as injured. That’s an average MLB outfielder. I’m just guessing, which is what JJ asked for.
December 5, 2023 at 5:39 pm #239028
jj-cf-stlParticipantArozarena, Garcia, etc. Yep, O’Neill may win mvp of something.
December 5, 2023 at 5:45 pm #239029
jj-cf-stlParticipantI doubt teams would offer 10mil when they know a half-season active is a strong possibility. I had him at 1/6mil.
December 5, 2023 at 5:57 pm #239031#STLCards POBO John Mozeliak said the club doesn't necessarily have to trade a salary before adding another salary via a free-agent signing or trade. He admitted the Cards have been in talks with many agents of relievers the past two days & characterized the talks as productive.
— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) December 5, 2023
December 5, 2023 at 8:18 pm #239045Alex Verdugo goes from the Red Sox to the Yankees for prospects. Strange the two rivals would do a trade.
December 5, 2023 at 8:20 pm #239046Basically the Winter Meetings have been a dud so far which is typical. This time it is because of Ohtani. Most of the dominoes are not going to fall until he signs with someone.
December 5, 2023 at 8:22 pm #239047
jj-cf-stlParticipantCarlson to the NYY just a lot of it’s shine.
December 5, 2023 at 8:36 pm #239049Not sure what that means jj.
December 5, 2023 at 10:11 pm #239057The possibility of a trade of Carlson to the Yankees did lose a lot of it’s shine. I’m glad of it. I want to see what Carlson can do with a healed and rehabbed ankle.
December 5, 2023 at 10:35 pm #239061The difference b/w Arozarena/Garcia and Tyler O’Neill is that the cardinals gave hardly any major league at bats to Arozarena/Garcia where O’Neill has had ample at bats & seasons to show he is an oft injured inconsistent hitter at best
December 6, 2023 at 7:13 am #239074
jj-cf-stlParticipantGS, Verdugo is an upgrade over Carlson, but the NYY still want an impact power lefty bat.
I’m with Muds, glad Carlson is still here, but he needs to hit righties better.
December 6, 2023 at 7:43 am #239078Carlson is a good 4th OF choice, offering good defensive coverge of CF. If he needed to fill in every day for a while, I don’t like his bat, but that is better than not liking somebody’s glove out there everyday. It gives more flexibility as to the 5th outfielder, since CF ability is not necessary.
A fact that cannot be brushed aside is that we don’t have a good replacement for Carlson in the CF capable 4th outfielder role.
December 6, 2023 at 9:47 am #239090bccran
ParticipantBB – What about Palacios? And Scott coming on strong.
December 6, 2023 at 9:49 am #239091GS, Verdugo is an upgrade over Carlson, but the NYY still want an impact power lefty bat.
I’m with Muds, glad Carlson is still here, but he needs to hit righties better.
Yes I agree. I think keeping Carlson is the smart move for the Cardinals.
The Yankees got Verdugo and are closing in on a trade for Soto so they definitely don’t need Carlson now.
December 6, 2023 at 10:20 am #239096December 6, 2023 at 11:11 am #239100The Cardinals will be just fine.
December 6, 2023 at 11:25 am #239102What about Palacios? And Scott coming on strong.
I wouldn’t want them to bring Scott up to fill the 4th outfielder role and spend a lot of time on the bench.
Palacios would be ok with me, but not sure how it would go over a bigger sample size.
December 6, 2023 at 11:35 am #239103The National League managers — four of which have ties the #STLCards — prepare to take a photo at the manager’s breakfast at the MLB Winter Meetings. pic.twitter.com/dl7YPMY6Cb
— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) December 6, 2023
December 6, 2023 at 11:41 am #239104Agent Scott Boras on the #STLCards plans to trade Tyler O’Neill: “Tyler O’Neill, you know, was eighth in MVP voting, 30-plus home runs, won two Gold Gloves … with the talent evaluation of the Cardinals, it’s nice to know that they have players who reach higher levels, I guess.”
— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) December 6, 2023
December 6, 2023 at 12:52 pm #239111Ken Rosenthal is whining because the Winter Meetings are so boring. I am wondering why he just figured that out.
His solutions include making free agents sign sooner in the off-season and adding restrictions on when trades can be made. That has less than a zero percent chance of happening.
Maybe he will feel better when he can sleep in his own bed again…
Why baseball must act to liven up the Winter Meetings. Column: https://t.co/FrUB8hNWWu
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 6, 2023
December 6, 2023 at 1:20 pm #239115
(https://soxprospects[.]com/players/fernandez-ryan.htm)
Ryan Fernandez
“Physical Description: Average frame, minimal remaining projection.”Nice to see, they can spend some cash on a guy that’s described as “minimal remaining projection”.
Hopefully the Red Sox are wrong and so is this website that said that flattering outlook for young Fernandez.
December 6, 2023 at 1:24 pm #239116This web site’s posters are wrong way more than they are right.
December 6, 2023 at 1:44 pm #239119
cardsfan64ParticipantWe have selected INF Johnfrank Salazar, INF Miguel Villarroel and RHP Benito García in the Triple-A Phase of the Rule 5 Draft.
— Cardinals Player Development (@CardsPlayerDev) December 6, 2023
December 6, 2023 at 2:03 pm #239123I agree with Rosenthal’s suggestions. The NBA does this with a tight window for transactions and it makes for an extremely exciting time. MLB prefers the slow agonizing drip of activity. The Winter Meetings could be a real spectacle if structured properly but instead it is just an excuse for the exec’s to get together to swap stories at the breakfast buffet.
December 6, 2023 at 2:27 pm #239133Fernandez has very good stuff according to Baseball America. He just has a checkered injury past. I like their minor league phase additions also. Garcia had an excellent 2023, and had a brief spell at AA to end his season. Good minor league depth added.
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