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April 19, 2024 at 10:08 pm #248736
jj-cf-stlParticipantLooks like the script says “long game” with Goldy. Support their billing.
April 19, 2024 at 10:11 pm #248737
jj-cf-stlParticipantWe have the right guys up. Earn it
April 19, 2024 at 10:19 pm #248738Ugh. Out with a whimper.
April 19, 2024 at 10:19 pm #248739
jj-cf-stlParticipantI think we have a w/risp thing we need to figure out.
April 19, 2024 at 10:20 pm #248740Both Gorman and Goldschmidt were awful tonight.
April 19, 2024 at 10:23 pm #248741So our 5 batters who came in hitting less than 215 were a combined 1 for 20! The other were 4 for 15! We can’t keep playing all 5 of those guys! Herrera should be in every day and Burleson should be in against righty pitching for the moment at least! Night after night of the same pitiful lineup is not working!
April 19, 2024 at 10:24 pm #248742Gorman whiffs for the FOURTH time tonight to end the game. Terrible offense all around. And, I’m sorry, but an eight pitch at-bat that ends in a strikeout is not a “good at-bat” despite what the announcers say.
April 19, 2024 at 10:27 pm #248743I’m almost at the point of not caring about outcomes again like last year. If they manage to score more than 3 damn runs its a freakin’ miracle.
April 19, 2024 at 10:35 pm #248744Hardhead needs to move Goldschmidt and Gorman down in the lineup – I guess.
Twin golden sombreros for those two, lol.
Is no one playing outfield for Memphis? Give ’em a shot – how much worse could they be than Scott / Siani / Walker?
April 19, 2024 at 10:52 pm #248745Is no one playing outfield for Memphis?
No,not really. Nobody on the 40 man. There is Moises brick hands Gomez. Koperniak with a .550 OPS, Antico with a .500 OPS, and Jared Young can allegedly play some OF, but he’s hitting .143.
April 19, 2024 at 11:21 pm #248746Good Lord. How in the world do you not have any AAA outfielders?
Well, I guess we do but they are playing in StL…
April 19, 2024 at 11:37 pm #248748How long since we had a center fielder hitting over.100? its pathetic.
I wonder what kind of a crowd was actually in the stands tonight?
April 20, 2024 at 5:16 am #248749For what is happening now, I would get Burleson’s bat in the lineup. Too many sure outs now. I’ll take a 1-4 guy with a slap single. It’s something.
April 20, 2024 at 7:36 am #248751Can anyone please explain to me why you would pitch to William C in that situation last night. Thank you in advance.
April 20, 2024 at 7:48 am #248753When does Carpenter come back?
The Cardinals need some veteran leadership.
April 20, 2024 at 7:53 am #248754Can anyone please explain to me why you would pitch to William C in that situation last night.
Because our analytics department was 90% through last season before they figured out it’s really a bad idea to sit some of your your best hitters against left-handed pitching simply because they are left-handed.
Because our analytics department keeps putting Goldschmidt in the #2 slot, even though all he is doing is killing rallies.
April 20, 2024 at 8:03 am #248756Counting spring training, as we near the two month mark, Goldy has to be right on the precipice of snapping out of his prolonged slump. And except for Winn, the rest of these slugs(not even remotely confused with “sluggers”) need to look squarely into the closest mirror and take a hard look at themselves. Guaranteed that they won’t like what they see. It’s not usually a good idea to push the panic button, especially this early. But it may be about time before this season gets away from us. Matters need to be shaken up……period.
April 20, 2024 at 8:05 am #248757Do they need an analytics department to tell them not to pitch to a teams best hitter with 2 outs a base open and the game tied in xtras’? Seriously, I can tolerate the streaks and other blips in performance by the players. It’s part of the game. But this is sheer stupidity. I’m truly dejected with what this has turned into. Never mind the malpractice in setting the lineup. BikeMike has the lineup right. They should hire him.
April 20, 2024 at 8:09 am #248758I would go this way pretty much day in and day out for awhile:
Donovan
Winn
Nootbaar
Arenado
Contreras
Goldschmidt
Herrera
Walker/Burleson/Gorman
Scott/SianiBikeMikes lineup
April 20, 2024 at 8:55 am #248765It is always fun to read if the manager or analytics are to blame for decisions that don’t turn out right… Also continue to marvel at how folks believe they know these details…
If the manager is just a puppet following the scripts, as some believe, why would the next guy be any different?
Or if the manager is making bad decisions on his own, then analytics aren’t driving all the calls, after all.
I can’t figure out what you folks believe and if it changes by the day… 😉
FWIW, I was also surprised they pitched to Contreras.
April 20, 2024 at 9:20 am #248768Below I quote the wikipedia entry for ‘Mendoza Line’. Even if you are a gold glove shortstop, you are expected to hit at least .200. What on earth is going on with the Cards? You can’t throw away quality starts like this and expect to go anywhere.
BTW, it is still April and we Helsley alread has several poor outings, where he didn’t get the job done. Yes, I know, he is a good closer, but he is not an elite closer.
“The Mendoza Line is baseball jargon for a .200 batting average, the supposed threshold for offensive futility at the Major League level.[1] It derives from light-hitting shortstop Mario Mendoza, who failed to reach .200 five times in his nine big league seasons.[2] When a position player’s batting average falls below .200, the player is said to be “below the Mendoza Line”.”
April 20, 2024 at 9:44 am #248769Walking William Contreras in the 10th with first base open was the easiest decision Marmol had last night.
Even if it back fires that is the call in that situation.
With the offense in the crapper for now you just have to walk him there.
Nootbar failing to advance Goldschmidt to third was a real killer in the Cards 10th.
April 20, 2024 at 10:05 am #248773In fairness to Helsley, the ghost runner scored on a chopper through the middle of the infield. With two out, he was going with the pitch. Different defensive positioning could have led to an out.
April 20, 2024 at 10:08 am #248776Nootbar failing to advance Goldschmidt to third was a real killer in the Cards 10th.
I don’t understand why Nootbaar wasn’t instructed to bunt Goldschmidt to third. That would have given Milwaukee something to think about. Walk Arenado and pitch to the hot hitting Contreras, hoping for a game ending DP? I do not think they pitch to Contreras there. Walk him and pitch to Gorman? Gorman is more of a K threat than a DP threat, and a K would bring up the hot hitting Winn with 2 down and the man on third. Or possibly walk Gorman, setting up a force at every base and a potential game ending DP with Winn at the dish. That is probably how it would have happened. Better the game depends on Winn than Gorman, as sobering a thought as that is. But what was needed was a higher probability of a hit rather than a lower probability of a home run. You bring that about by having Noot bunt.
April 20, 2024 at 10:36 am #248782
jj-cf-stlParticipantGame 100 is July 23rd, a week before the deadline. We are 20% there and not looking like buyers.
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