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1:15 p.m. RHP Dakota Hudson (0-1, 6.08) vs. RHP Noah Syndergaard (1-1, 5.63) FOX Sports Midwest // KMOX // WJIRApril 20, 2019 at 5:52 pm #88191
Happy Easter Sunday to everybody!
p.s. you too Pugs..:)April 21, 2019 at 8:08 am #88205
Yes, Happy Easter to all!April 21, 2019 at 8:54 am #88221
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Happy Easter to the esteemed RatsBuddy, baseball maestro (not to be confused with anything associated with the Astros), Brian, Cards guru, Cranny, and everybody else here at The Cardinal Nation. Big big day for Hudson!April 21, 2019 at 9:00 am #88225
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Hudson needs to step it up and pitch a strong game, or he may be in danger of losing his rotation spot. However, in his and everyone else’s defense, it would be nice to play a sub-.500 team some day. What have we had, two games against the Reds, who really are not that bad, and everyone else a .500+ ball club.
Even tomorrow we have those pesky big bad Brewers yet again. Maybe at home we can actually win a couple. But let’s take care of this New York club first and get this series.
Really like what I am seeing of DeJong. He is taking the next step in his career and looks real good. He and Wong give us solid defense at second base, which is a must for a winning ball club. Get Bader back in center and we are really good, although he is going to need to hit better to hold the job. I think he will though, with regular playing time.April 21, 2019 at 9:52 am #88237
Hey Cards – we all know it’s Easter but do not lay any eggs today. Thanks TCN.April 21, 2019 at 10:09 am #88243April 21, 2019 at 10:41 am #88247
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You have to be somewhat optimistic about Fowler batting .271. But that can be clouded by 1 RBI and a SLG of .339, especially for his spot in the order. His OBS has improved so there’s that.
I’m glad to see Jose Martinez in the order. I think he adds to the opposing pitcher’s fear when he steps up to the plate. Undoubtedly a perfect DH, but I continue to be able to put up with his D and have him in our order. Is he improving on his defense with the time he is getting in the outfield?April 21, 2019 at 11:23 am #88262
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I too am glad to see Martinez in the order these days. I think it’s highly likely he will drive in many more runs with the stick than he will allow with the occasional defensive miscue.April 21, 2019 at 11:32 am #88264
Based on a new thread with complaints about them, it is clear that a number of posters here do not embrace “new age” stats. However, WAR is one which attempts to measure total contribution (offense and defense). Last season, Martinez was the eighth-best position player on the Cards based on bWAR (from Baseball Reference).
O’Neill was ranked ninth. Despite O’Neill playing in just 61 games to Martinez’ 152, the difference between them was just 1.4 to 1.5 bWAR. Now, Goldschmidt has joined the same top nine from last year, as well, all of whom are back for 2019.
My point remains that players like O’Neill have considerably more upside. With no DH, Martinez is not the best choice to play every day. When the team is at full strength, he won’t and he shouldn’t start. Even with both Bader and O’Neill on the IL, I would still rather see Thomas play in CF instead of Martinez in RF. That way, they get the benefit of a better defensive player in two positions, while moving Fowler back to RF.
P.S. It isn’t about charged errors. It is about getting to balls, handling them cleanly and then throwing them to the right place in a timely manner. The OF of Ozuna-Fowler-Martinez is downright scary.April 21, 2019 at 12:07 pm #88275
Brian, I guess we all have our opinions but at this time even with Bader and ONeil off the IL I would prefer to see Martinez play more than just off the bench. You can have your WAR but as I am crowding 80 years of age I am not one who takes to the “new age” stats. Afterall it is the same game but now the younger crowd has found new ways to detract from the enjoyment of just watching it for entertainment. That may be a bit too harsh but the computer age (in my view) is leading to a change in how the game is viewed by younger fans. As far as I am concerned I could be very happy with NO stats shown on the screen because what they seem to do is condition the viewers thinking of what will happen. BTW. I am one who will take JMarts singles, doubles and occasional home runs to ONeil’s strikeouts. Jose has always been an outfielder in the minors. His time at 1B last season was an attempt to get him a new position to allow him to play more but Mr Carpenter the Superstar (who is just as bad defensively) has dibs on starting. Anyway, I enjoy the game as it was when I played it and the game itself is pretty much the same. It is the geeks and sabremetrics that is changing how it is viewed. That is not an insult to anybody – we all have different takes on the game but WAR is something to laugh at for me. Happy Easter to all.April 21, 2019 at 12:15 pm #88278
Well, I can tell you that the teams themselves are using these stats to assist in their own decision making. Personally, I try to at least understand new measures rather than ignore or discredit them, but to each his own.April 21, 2019 at 12:37 pm #88283
There is another stat that comes into play and it is called salary. Most objective observers would admit that is the reason Fowler and his 1 RBI gets so many starts. JMart is a much better hitter than Fowler and not much worse defender.April 21, 2019 at 12:42 pm #88284
Rarely does a day go by without a reminder of Fowler’s contract. You can now check off that box for today.
But back to the subject of objective measures, here are the current bWAR values for Cardinals outfielders to date this season. Only one has a negative value, so yes, let’s play him over Fowler because Fowler has a bad contract and had a bad 2018 and because he isn’t getting enough RBI and not enough extra base hits and …
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How can salary not be a legitimate issue?
Player A: .271 avg, 0 HR, 1 RBI, .716 OPS
Player B: .333 avg, 1 HR, 9 RBI, .792 OPS
Player A starts almost everyday. Player B has only been receiving starts due to an injury by someone else. Why is that? Is Player A that much better of a defender than Player B? Some better, but not that much better in my opinion.
Then why does Player A get more starts? I am thinking it is because Player A makes $16.5M per year and Player B makes $1.125 M this year, thus the organization is wanting to justify their expense. That is the only logical conclusion I can come to. I am sorry if you find that conclusion offensive but that is the way I see it.April 21, 2019 at 1:06 pm #88286
We discussed Fowler’s salary all winter long, as well as how long of a leash he would be given this season if he did not perform well. There is a 26-page thread about that very subject.
Now that the season is actually going, Fowler is playing better than most expected. His performance to date this season would not seem to warrant his benching. Yet, by the comments of some, it feels like they prefer he fails.
As has been stated many times, there is more to playing decisions than basic baseball-card offensive stats. I tried to use WAR as a non-subjective example, but I don’t know how else to put it.April 21, 2019 at 1:15 pm #88287
Yet, by the comments of some, it feels like they prefer he fails
I personally hope Fowler hits .355 this year with 25 homeruns, 110 rbi’s, 44 stolen bases, and wins a gold glove.
I think I speak for Pugs as well here.
r/RatApril 21, 2019 at 1:19 pm #88288
I am trying to look at this objectively. Yes, Fowler is playing better so far in 2019 than he did in 2018 but that wasn’t a very high bar. The question is does he deserve to start over other options? Trying to pretend that salary is not a factor strikes me as either incredibly naive or determined to defend the FO no matter what.
I am not trying to be argumentative but I have yet to be convinced that salary is not a factor.April 21, 2019 at 1:22 pm #88289
I think April 21 is too soon to decide Fowler’s future. Whether you like it or not, the team proclaimed him as the starter and he hasn’t lost his job, in my assessment, nor has anyone else played well enough to take it away.
Over the winter, those who would give Fowler a chance at all seemed to think a couple of months was about right to assess. It is easy to be caught in the moment of short-period stats, whether positive or negative. Not long ago, there was a vocal group calling for Ozuna to be benched, too. Patience.April 21, 2019 at 1:25 pm #88292
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Alonso crushed a 115 mph rocket off Hudson to get the scoring started.
I don’t know if the Cards messed with Hudson’s approach or what, but he looks like anything but an MLB starter right now. He might need a Reyes stint in Memphis to get right and come back with his sinker working.April 21, 2019 at 1:33 pm #88293
Hudson should have been sent to Memphis several days ago. He obviously has zero confidence right now. I don’t know why we keep running him out there.April 21, 2019 at 1:57 pm #88294
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Shildt does not use the bunt as much as I would. Right there with first and second, no out, I would have had Dex try laying one down and use the element of surprise.
Granted a successful bunt might result in a walk to Wong, but you keep the defense honest and get the runners moving.
Wong comes through! Good they didn’t use my strategy! 🙂April 21, 2019 at 2:01 pm #88295
The bottom of the lineup came through in the home second. Martinez drew his first walk of the year and Molina singled. No. 7 hitter Fowler K’d before Wong’s RBI single scored Martinez. Hudson reached on an error on the SS to load the bases with just one out. Carpenter flied out to short center and Molina wisely did not tag up off third. Goldschmidt drove in a pair with a screamer past the shortstop.
Cards 3-1 after two innings.April 21, 2019 at 2:14 pm #88296
He’s given up just one run thus far, but watching Hudson pitch is painful. I’m afraid the dam is about to leak big time.April 21, 2019 at 2:20 pm #88300
there seems to be nothing Martinez can do for some people out here. that’s why I don’t care about new age stats. if you have a good knowledge of the game and maybe played a bit, your eyes tell you plenty. Martinez just hits the ball. yea his defense isn’t great sure but outside of bader, I don’t think any of our outfielders are that good defensively, enough to separate em. I don’t know much about this Thomas guy but I know he wasn’t hitting that well in the minors. with the fact that our starters tend to give up quite a few runs, ill take the guy that has shown he can hit off almost any pitcher and he can hit to all fields which in the age of shifts is a big thing. now if our pitching staff was loaded with guys putting no hit stuff out there, im all in on defense or late in the game with defensive substitutions. but to me Martinez should start until our pitchers start pitching better. the hard decision is gonna be when bader comes back. excellent center fielder but hasn’t really killed it offensively, plus fowler has hit well. if it was me bader would start and Martinez and fowler would alternate but I don’t think they want to hurt fowlers feelings.
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