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Brian, again, because of the obvious infield situation. It would also be nice if Saggese could be in the ’25 outfield competition. Which, at this time, appears to have only one possible opening, LF. Wouldn’t you agree? Especially, if he hits, at AAA this season, anything close to what he hit at the AA level last season.
If Saggese hits at AAA, move Gorman back to 3B were he belongs and put Saggese at 2B were he belongs. The pitching we get for Arenado would be helpful. Meanwhile let Goldy finish up his career at DH so we can put Walker at 1B where he belongs and we can have Scott, Noot and Burly or Donovan or Edman in the outfield.
Or, leave the bronze busts out there until they turn to dust and have ever more guys out of position crashing into each other.
Shady said:
…It would also be nice if Saggese could be in the ’25 outfield competition. Which, at this time, appears to have only one possible opening, LF. Wouldn’t you agree?
No, I don’t agree. Where is Nootbaar going next year? When everyone is healthy, I don’t see any OF openings for the foreseeable future.
Brian, what if Saggese turns out out to be every bit the hitting prospect Walker is? Wouldn’t they be inclined to find a position for Saggese like they did for Walker? Did Nootbaar ever have the offensive production Saggese had last season? If Saggese produces the big bat, Nootbaar, Edman and Donovan could be valuable trade chips for needed established, cost controlled starting pitching.
A lot of ifs about stuff that will take at least the season to play out. For me, this is discussion for the off-season. Trades aren’t happening any time soon. Guys aren’t gaining months of experience in the next few days. Fortunately, we have real games to talk about now.
An interesting side note. Saggese is at SS today for Memphis. I just don’t see Saggese cracking the lineup as an infielder unless either Goldschmidt or Arenado are not in the picture anymore. And that could happen by ’25. Goldschmidt would likely command too much money to be a full time DH.
Crazy idea: What if the Cardinals just let Saggese develop and earn/force his way onto a MLB roster through his performance, rather than inventing a bunch of Rube Goldberg mechanisms to prematurely promote him just because he’s the next bright, shiny object?
RBK, Saggese’s stats as a 21 year old at AA were off the charts. Maybe you aren’t that intrigued. I am. Obviously, he’s blocked on the infield , right now. If he has a special bat. They might need to find a spot for him like they did for Walker. I guess he needs to prove himself at AAA first. However, Walker never really did. He progression was accelerated in the organization.
since you say it like that, then they should Find some place for him NOW. Let’s write our Congressmen on this one, Call the Pope, Summon Mother Theresa, Khengis Khan….
Or we could let the process play out and do what you always tell us, “Trust the process and our Managers, they know what they’re doing”
RBK, Saggese’s stats as a 21 year old at AA were off the charts. Maybe you aren’t that intrigued. I am. Obviously, he’s blocked on the infield , right now. But he has a special bat. They need to find a spot for him like they did for Walker.
Being “intrigued” is one thing. Casually assuming that a 40+ grade, new-to-AAA prospect is a sure thing who is perfectly fungible with established or semi-established, productive MLB players like Donovan, Edman, and Nootbaar is quite another.
There is no “logjam” unless and until player performance creates one. The Cardinals don’t “need to find a spot for him” unless and until he earns/seizes said spot. If his bat is as “special” as you claim, he won’t be blocked–they will find a place for him, or trade him for value. All of these roster machinations you’re proposing or speculating about seem to be based on the premise that the entire Cardinals universe revolves around Thomas Saggese, but I can confidently assure you that is not the case.
RBK, you are mistaken, I really like quite a few other young Cardinals players/prospects. And I’m still in the Burleson camp.
Unfortunately there is no room for Saggese as it stands now, unless the Cards trade Donovan. The infield is set with
Goldy, Winn, Gorman/Donovan/Edman/Prieto, and Goldy/Walker/Gorman/Burleson. The outfield is also set going forward. Maybe they trade Saggese for pitching. A package of Saggese and Burleson might bring a pretty good starter.Anyone else notice the similarities between Saggese and Colt Keith of the tigers? Both 2020 5th rounders with very similar stats. Keith is nearly a year older and has nearly a full year at AAA and is starting this year in the majors.
The other big difference is Keith signed a big league contract that guarantees him 26 million before he played his first major league game. Would you support that type of contract for Saggese in the off season if he puts up a high .800. OPS at AAA this year?
bccran, I generally agree with your post, with a couple of exceptions.
I don’t consider Prieto to be set. Certainly not more than Saggese.
I doubt Saggese and Burly alone would bring a controllable above average starter. Let’s not forget that very recently Saggese was only PART of the deal that fetched just two months of Monty. Roby was the clear headliner.CC, I did not consider that parallel, but will look into it when I can. The last contract even close to Keith’s the Cardinals did was with DeJong, and we saw how that worked out. They also gave Wong multiple years before free agency and ended up buying out his last season.
I suspect the Cards will be very wary of that kind of commitment to any young player, especially one without a clear job. I could see Walker or Gorman or Nootbaar or even Donovan, but not a Winn or Saggese or Scott.
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