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I’m not asking for a crystal ball. I simply want to know about their tools and how they will project to mlb.
I like your writing style Monsieur. Civil and informative.
Sometimes, you just have to trust your eyes and ears when you consider prospects. The comparison I heard from an Astros announcer caught my ears. He compared Saggese to DJ Le Mahieu as a hitter. That’s bolder than anything I’ve said about Saggese. What do you think of that?
That’s great. I’d be thrilled. But as a middle infielder, I’m curious about his glove, arm, ability to turn the DP, and his ability to steal a base or go first to third.
You need to give a Cardinals’ scout a call with you specific concerns. Most of us here are just amateur observers. But, from my amateur observations, I’ll say this. The Cardinals organization has some fine hitters in Burleson, Saggese and Prieto. Like I said, you likely need to consult a professional scout for detailed information.
I really hope Goldschmidt starts hitting. But if it is obvious that he’s lost something. The Cardinals would be fine at the trade deadline or sooner, moving Gorman to 1B and inserting Saggese at 2B. Hopefully, getting a decent, cost controlled starting pitcher for Goldy.
With all due respect, I think you need to tap the brakes a bit.
You just admitted you don’t know much about Saggese’s glove or arm, his speed, his range at second, his ability to turn a double play, his power potential.
Yet you’re ready to ditch Goldy to get him in the lineup at second while moving Gorman to a position he’s never played before?
Seems risky to me. Goldy is a historically slow starter. Might as well see how his season goes while monitoring Saggese’s progress at AAA. Does that not seem a bit more prudent?
I was in the minority but I was in favor of trading Goldy in the offseason. I realize he has a NTC but trading him to a contender while extending his contract could have caused him to waive the NTC. I feel like not trading him was shortsighted.
I’ve never seen Saggese but a couple things can be deduced. The first is anyone you get for a rental is not going to be all sunshine and no rain. The other is if he had a left side arm they wouldn’t have made him a second baseman early on. I’m interested to see how he looks at AAA.
As a blocked middle infielder, I would hope TS could progress with much fanfare and be flipped in a package for PITCHING. As stated earlier, the Cards got him for a rental. There is a hole somewhere. Let another organization find it.
AdM, seeing that you recently registered. And by your handle, I think I know who you are. Thanks for trying to be civil on this message board. I’ve read that Saggese is sure handed at 2B, he must have good range as the Cardinals have been giving him some PT at SS in ST, and he has decent speed. His power production last season should speak for itself. Though sometimes it doesn’t necessarily translate from the minors to the bigs. Hope that helps.
BOCfan, for what it’s worth, I heard that the Rangers weren’t thrilled to give up Saggese. However, Mo insisted that he be included in the deal for Montgomery and Stratton.
Mo has plenty of critics for his recent trades, but he did a good job to turn 1 1/3 seasons of a broken Harrison Bader into a season of Jordan Montgomery and future seasons of Roby and Sagesse. No matter what happens with these two minor leaguers, this has already been a big win.
First and foremost, both guys are very exciting prospects, especially with their skill sets and at their positions. I feel the same about Gorman.
They both need time in AAA though or could hit a big rut even if they start hot.
At this point with the “Great Lynn and Gibson” screw up by Mo, I’d bet and hope 2030 will be a better use of a service year than 2024 is.
Saggese has been playing some SS recently. What’s up with that? They must feel he has some good range and a good arm as an infielder. Isn’t it kind of interesting that Saggese is still with the big club this late in ST? And Scott is not.
Shady typed ~ Saggese has been playing some SS recently. What’s up with that? They must feel he has some good range and a good arm as an infielder. Isn’t it kind of interesting that Saggese is still with the big club this late in ST? And Scott is not.
Did you see that throw. It’s how he throws…he can’t play that side of bag. His arm is too weak.
Keep him at 2B…give him occasional reps at SS and 3B, but only when it doesn’t matter.
It does seem 2B is the best place for Saggese. Having his offensive potential as a 2B is quite appealing. However, there’s a logjam at 2B. That’s why I advocate getting Saggese some reps in LF at AAA. I’m not ruling out a Goldschmidt trade before the deadline. Moving Gorman to 1B and inserting Saggese at 2B. Of course, this is dependent on how both Goldschmidt and Saggese hits before that. Actually, even how Donovan hits.
Again Mr Shady, would it really be prudent to move Gorman to a brand new position midway through the season.
The move you suggest could be unprecedented.
I’d also note that if Goldy were to wave his no-trade, and if I were going to make an unprecedented move, I’d be be moving Walker to first base. But that’s just my opinion and I’ve been wrong before.
Mr T8ball I’ve yet to see Saggese play. In your mind is he a legit starting second sacker prospect or more of a utility guy moving forward?
I work during the day and have yet to see him play.
Mr T8ball I’ve yet to see Saggese play. In your mind is he a legit starting second sacker prospect or more of a utility guy moving forward?
I work during the day and have yet to see him play.
Mr. Albert: FWIW, here are Fangraphs’ most up-to-date scouting grades for Saggese:
Category/CV/FV
Hit: 45/55
Game Power: 35/45
Raw Power: 45/50
Speed: 45/40
Field: 40/45
FV (overall): 40+30 = “Up & Down”
40 = “Bench player”
45 = “Low End Reg/Platoon”
50 = “Avg Everyday Player”
55 = “Above Avg Regular”
60 = “All Star”Obviously, players deviate up and down from these projections all the time, so take the grades for what they’re worth–there are other scouting reports out there (including Brian’s), I just happened to have this one handy to give you at least a little bit of context.
So Mr RBK, if I’m reading this correct, scouts see him as a platoon/duper-sub type?
Thanks as that was the information I was looking for. Let’s hope he exceeds those expectations.
@Albert de Morcerf, loved the prison break btw, Saggese is passable at 2B. To declare his footwork is good or great is…well, it’s reckless. Skip Schumaker was passable at 2B, Matt Carpenter wasn’t. It that gives you an idea of what I think of Saggese’s play at 2B. His bat will make him stick there. His throws kill me, and moving him to the left side of the diamond make it worse. There id arc to his throw, and when at SS or 3B the ball is at the 1B feet once it gets there. I’d really need to delve deep into his Velocity, but it can’t be that great with the way it travels.
That being said, I wonder if he gets to some of the balls that Gorman messed up on today in the Cubs game. 1 play in particular led to a run against Matz.
So Mr RBK, if I’m reading this correct, scouts see him as a platoon/duper-sub type?
Thanks as that was the information I was looking for. Let’s hope he exceeds those expectations.
Fingers crossed. In time, he could be a solid hitter at the next level. But it would be irresponsible for the Cardinals to assume he’s some sort of “sure thing” who is perfectly interchangeable with semi-established players like Donovan at this point. Patience is a virtue, let’s give him some time.
Shady said:
Isn’t it kind of interesting that Saggese is still with the big club this late in ST? And Scott is not.
No connection. Stepping back, does anyone think that Saggese had a better shot at making the team this spring than Scott? They already have two second basemen. They don’t have room for three!
Fermin is still with the team, too. Does anyone think he could make the roster? So is Pages, FWIW.
Saggese’s time will come, but it is not yet.
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